New Classes in Stock AAA/SA, AAA/S and FS/AAA

[James Hill]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Hey, tuff guy! Just where do you think the next generation is coming from! IF there is going to BE a next generation! Do you think that they're going to just hit up their Daddys up for a $100K car?
Yes they're "entry level" but not for the reasons that you think. You can go to any shop in the country and buy all of the pieces to put together a big-block Camaro and if you've got a little bit of tuning talent you can get it to run pretty well OR you can buy the tuning talent just like you bought all of the pieces for the car! They're "entry level" because you can't BUY ANYTHING for them, you've got to make the stuff and improvise.

You apparently DO "mind" FWD having said what you just said.

The "idea" of a "Dime Rocket" is (for me) to keep people in this game. Some time, you should get off of your "safe" combos (solid-lifter big-blocks and 327/275s) and try something difficult like a 307 Chevy or a 301 Pontiac (or an easy FWD combo) and see how that works for you.
I could be racing some of the combos that I have out in my big garage but I choose to spend my time trying to show potential Racers how they can compete and be competitive on a budget. But I guess that if I had done some of this stuff and told the readers how expensive it was going to be then you'd be OK with it?

Where did you see anything about FWD Racers not wanting heads-up runs? I wrote in one of my "build" threads that I hope that there would be 20 of those cars built. And I still do! And where exactly did I say that I want Stick combos running heads-up against Auto combos? I said that combining sticks and autos would make more common sense than combining RWDs and FWDs. Don't put words in my mouth!
What business is it of yours where I buy my car or what I paid for it and whether I buy "high end" parts (that don't exist anyway) or not! If the combo is in the guide and is built within the rules (probably more so than most BB and 327/275 Camaros) then we have a "level playing field". You can "make the investment" however you would like.

I'm not going to tell you how to spend your money but seeing as we're talking about "NHRA Stock Eliminator" here, please show me how and why "Stock Eliminator" heads and intakes are worth so much today? Why do the indexes need to be moved to keep these higher HP combos from having to slow down to keep from getting HP hits? Why do these higher HP combos suddenly "need" aftermarket heads and carbs and blocks that aren't available to the lower HP combos and FWDs?

It seems from where I'm sitting that you are one of the Racers wanting "diversity, equity and inclusion" here. The underclassmen aren't the ones shouting for all of the change! We just want a FAIR place to race!

What young person is going to build a 301 pontiac or a 307 chevy? What young person is going to want to run a 17 second fwd 4 door car? I'm closer to 21 than you by a large margin and none of my friends have intrest in that.

You want to really do something to toot your class racer horn go out by a newer 17+ camaro challenger mustang of your choice DRIVE it to 5 divisionals and 3 nationals AND BE COMPETITIVE. I know your going to say BuT ThAtS nOt a DiMe RoCkEt, well it's relatable and most people in America can get a car loan.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by James Hill

What young person is going to build a 301 pontiac or a 307 chevy? What young person is going to want to run a 17 second fwd 4 door car? I'm closer to 21 than you by a large margin and none of my friends have intrest in that.

You want to really do something to toot your class racer horn go out by a newer 17+ camaro challenger mustang of your choice DRIVE it to 5 divisionals and 3 nationals AND BE COMPETITIVE. I know your going to say BuT ThAtS nOt a DiMe RoCkEt, well it's relatable and most people in America can get a car loan.

Well James, I suggested that only one person try a 307 or a 301. I certainly wouldn't suggest that a young person try it.
I'm gonna guess that a young person who wants to be involved in any kind of racing would jump at the chance to race anything that someone would put that young person in or that they could afford. If that young person wants to be "fussy" then they must not want to race that badly.
I don't need to "toot my class racer horn". I'm OK with the things that I've accomplished. At this point in my life, I'm good with trying to get others involved. If I wanted a new car, I'd have one. The "Dime Rocket" thing is just something I do to try and get people and young people involved who don't want or can't afford a car loan.

[GTS340]

How many young racers want to pay for an over priced membership, class number and entry fees. If they get passed that. They can afford a newer car too.there are no new less expensive combos in the books though..

Paul Haszlauer

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GTS340

How many young racers want to pay for an over priced membership, class number and entry fees. If they get passed that. They can afford a newer car too.there are no new less expensive combos in the books though..

Paul Haszlauer

Paul, these are some of the reasons why we'll soon be extinct. I think I'll keep trying to get new people involved though.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GTS340

How many young racers want to pay for an over priced membership, class number and entry fees. If they get passed that. They can afford a newer car too.there are no new less expensive combos in the books though..

Paul Haszlauer

This is a good point, that I have tried to make in the past.

If a new racer can afford all this, plus $15 -$20 fuel, plus traveling 300-500 miles to Divisionals out here, then they can probably afford something that gives them a boot in the ***** and does a big wheelie.

[Frank Castros]

Someone suggested Junior Stock be re-designated and it seems like a good idea to me.

[MAURICE BLENDHEIM]

How about a New Style Jr. Stock ? EXAMPLE: Let's say a Cobalt with a full cage, 9x30 (maximum) tire, Ladder bars, Engine Compartment and Front Suspension Rules same as Super Stock. Drivetrain Example: Stock Legal 1969 300hp. 350 engine, a Turbo 350 and a 12 Bolt. Obviously a Minimum Weight and Maximum Displacement would have to be determined. 4 Barrel Combinations only.

First of all you have a "Low Priced" Later Model Affordable Body, Front Half Rules already established, Rear Suspension available in Kit form. Steel Tubs. The remainder of the Construction would be as "General" in the Rule Book. The Build could be done at home in the Garage, just like "Old Times".

This is an example for Chevrolet. Ford and Chrysler would have their own picks. A Class like this would be called JR. Super Stock or Sr. Stock. Would something like this be encouraging? Just a thought. MB

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Well James, I suggested that only one person try a 307 or a 301.

You are over 40 years LATE. I raced a 72 Ventura 307 2 barrel in 1982. I got down to 9.22 (1/8 mile), through the mufflers, on street tires, before the car was wrecked on the way home from Music City Raceway. Wasn't fast enough to play in the Combo races at The Hill.




If I want to race a slow vehicle, I'll put the Silverado in tow mode.