Warning on contingency wraps - Page 2

Stan Weiss · 02-11-2023, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Gray

^^^^^^^^^^^^. After spending $25K to repair, straighten out and custom paint a 54yr old car body, no way am I putting on a decal that might return a $100.

Question - can I put the NHRA LODRS decal on my side windows?

They make what I would best call "magnetic sign boards" they are very thin, find some of these and put your decals on them and then you can put these on your car when you race.

Stan

BigBlockBill · 02-14-2023, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121

I just saw on the nosey network (Facebook) that Jeff Longhany was denied contingency claims after his Orlando win because his stickers on his wrap were not legal size. C'mon man!

Rules is rules and are printed in plain English to be followed or ignored at your own peril.

herbjr · 02-14-2023, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBlockBill

Rules is rules and are printed in plain English to be followed or ignored at your own peril.

So a car that was in 3 finals last year winning a divisional and a national, and 9 finals total paid no problem, had 5 decals that weren't part of the wrap and they wouldn't pay on it either why is all at once a problem?

tstickff · 02-14-2023, 07:04 PM

Honestly I thought the wrap was a good idea, maybe all these BS decals don’t all fit on everyone’s car perfectly, with the wrap it can be tailored to the size of your car, organized nicely, and custom fit. Some of these decals are big, ugly, and god forbid you try to peel some of these off with a decent paint job! Some of us take pride in how these cars look and are particular on how decals look, some don’t care about this stuff but I think most do.

Tim Stickles

Robin Lawrence · 02-15-2023, 07:30 AM

My thoughts, as I once was responsible for the contingency program where I worked. As a racer I appreciate the recognition and support that the manufacturers provide with contingency programs.
As a business these programs are not actually cost effective these days. Like certain types of advertising there are much better ways to spend marketing $$$ with better results.
I pushed for payouts on our newest offerings. Hopefully motivating racers to upgrade or step up to later designs. Carburetors are a good example.

On the subject of this thread, A contingency program is an agreement that is made between the sanctioning body and the company wishing to post. There are specific requirements that are spelled out in the agreement. Some will ask for proof of purchase. Some specify no stacking of stickers on multiple postings from the same company. Nearly all require you to use a specific size decal for the item posted.

Several years ago I had a racer contact me because NHRA rejected their claim because the decal was on a wrap and it was "re sized" It was a about half the size of the decal that was specified in the contingency agreement.

The car owner was upset because NHRA had rejected the claim and our contingency administrator had followed protocol and not paid the claim.

I ended up getting a call from the owner of the team. I congratulated him for the win, I thanked him for using our product. I then asked if he would like us to pay him half the payout since that was the amount that they had reduced the decal. As a business man he understood the position I was in. The re sizing of all the contingency decals really made the car look great! It made the main sponsor logo on the doors standout as it wasn't crowded with little stickers. At the end of the day the sponsor is paying for that specific sticker and logo.
The gentleman I had talked with agreed to install our full size required sticker and we paid then claim. I had another team do the same a few years later and the process was repeated. Our people were happy and the racers understood.
It wasn't the wrap that was the problem, it was the re sized decal.

Craig Porter · 02-15-2023, 07:56 AM

I appreciate the companies that post and pay us ! If I had a company that post I would want the decal to be the proper size for my product . We need to follow the rules before the program is gone .

Randy Wells · 02-21-2023, 10:46 PM

This thread is interesting, everyone is complaining about getting paid a couple hundred for winning. Myself I race to have fun, be with family and friends and to get away from the grind. Been doing it for over 30 years as a car owner and the last couple years as a driver, winning is always what I hope for when I enter a race but I am a good loser . The stickers I run are because of the customer service I get from the companies, MT gives me a better deal at the track then I get from the Web, Sunoco always puts a little more then 5 gallons in the Jug, Advance Clutches is always there when I call, Chris at Bullet cams is a big help in Cam selection, Mark at Performance Welding is a wealth of knowledge, heck I would probably run a Amazon sticker if they had one because I save hundreds of dollars buying from them, Etc Etc, and probably the biggest reason is my 8 and 11 year old Granddaughters think they look cool. Now if I luck out and win one I will be so happy the last thing I am worried about is getting a check, if I do that's icing on the cake.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

Lenny5160_v2 · 02-22-2023, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Wells

This thread is interesting, everyone is complaining about getting paid a couple hundred for winning. Myself I race to have fun, be with family and friends and to get away from the grind. Been doing it for over 30 years as a car owner and the last couple years as a driver, winning is always what I hope for when I enter a race but I am a good loser . The stickers I run are because of the customer service I get from the companies, MT gives me a better deal at the track then I get from the Web, Sunoco always puts a little more then 5 gallons in the Jug, Advance Clutches is always there when I call, Chris at Bullet cams is a big help in Cam selection, Mark at Performance Welding is a wealth of knowledge, heck I would probably run a Amazon sticker if they had one because I save hundreds of dollars buying from them, Etc Etc, and probably the biggest reason is my 8 and 11 year old Granddaughters think they look cool. Now if I luck out and win one I will be so happy the last thing I am worried about is getting a check, if I do that's icing on the cake.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

That's fine for you. I HATE putting stickers on my cars, but when a company pledges to add money should I be lucky enough to have some success, I'll reluctantly put the stickers on.

It's about doing what you said you'd do.

02-14-2023, 07:04 PM	#4
tstickff Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 471 Likes: 308 Liked 562 Times in 139 Posts	Re: Warning on contingency wraps Honestly I thought the wrap was a good idea, maybe all these BS decals don’t all fit on everyone’s car perfectly, with the wrap it can be tailored to the size of your car, organized nicely, and custom fit. Some of these decals are big, ugly, and god forbid you try to peel some of these off with a decent paint job! Some of us take pride in how these cars look and are particular on how decals look, some don’t care about this stuff but I think most do. Tim Stickles __________________ Tim Stickles

02-15-2023, 07:30 AM	#5
Robin Lawrence Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Galesburg IL. Posts: 178 Likes: 261 Liked 717 Times in 121 Posts	Re: Warning on contingency wraps My thoughts, as I once was responsible for the contingency program where I worked. As a racer I appreciate the recognition and support that the manufacturers provide with contingency programs. As a business these programs are not actually cost effective these days. Like certain types of advertising there are much better ways to spend marketing $$$ with better results. I pushed for payouts on our newest offerings. Hopefully motivating racers to upgrade or step up to later designs. Carburetors are a good example. On the subject of this thread, A contingency program is an agreement that is made between the sanctioning body and the company wishing to post. There are specific requirements that are spelled out in the agreement. Some will ask for proof of purchase. Some specify no stacking of stickers on multiple postings from the same company. Nearly all require you to use a specific size decal for the item posted. Several years ago I had a racer contact me because NHRA rejected their claim because the decal was on a wrap and it was "re sized" It was a about half the size of the decal that was specified in the contingency agreement. The car owner was upset because NHRA had rejected the claim and our contingency administrator had followed protocol and not paid the claim. I ended up getting a call from the owner of the team. I congratulated him for the win, I thanked him for using our product. I then asked if he would like us to pay him half the payout since that was the amount that they had reduced the decal. As a business man he understood the position I was in. The re sizing of all the contingency decals really made the car look great! It made the main sponsor logo on the doors standout as it wasn't crowded with little stickers. At the end of the day the sponsor is paying for that specific sticker and logo. The gentleman I had talked with agreed to install our full size required sticker and we paid then claim. I had another team do the same a few years later and the process was repeated. Our people were happy and the racers understood. It wasn't the wrap that was the problem, it was the re sized decal. __________________ STK 308 SS 3088

02-15-2023, 07:56 AM	#6
Craig Porter Junior Member Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 45 Likes: 0 Liked 97 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Warning on contingency wraps I appreciate the companies that post and pay us ! If I had a company that post I would want the decal to be the proper size for my product . We need to follow the rules before the program is gone .

02-21-2023, 10:46 PM	#7
Randy Wells Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Warsaw, Mo Posts: 719 Likes: 641 Liked 1,144 Times in 354 Posts	Re: Warning on contingency wraps This thread is interesting, everyone is complaining about getting paid a couple hundred for winning. Myself I race to have fun, be with family and friends and to get away from the grind. Been doing it for over 30 years as a car owner and the last couple years as a driver, winning is always what I hope for when I enter a race but I am a good loser . The stickers I run are because of the customer service I get from the companies, MT gives me a better deal at the track then I get from the Web, Sunoco always puts a little more then 5 gallons in the Jug, Advance Clutches is always there when I call, Chris at Bullet cams is a big help in Cam selection, Mark at Performance Welding is a wealth of knowledge, heck I would probably run a Amazon sticker if they had one because I save hundreds of dollars buying from them, Etc Etc, and probably the biggest reason is my 8 and 11 year old Granddaughters think they look cool. Now if I luck out and win one I will be so happy the last thing I am worried about is getting a check, if I do that's icing on the cake. Randy Wells I/S 5628 Last edited by Randy Wells; 02-21-2023 at 10:56 PM.