Billet cams and lifter supply

[Jim Kaekel]

If you want roller lifters, they are legal...in Super Stock.

[john ancona]

Originally Posted by Jim Kaekel

If you want roller lifters, they are legal...in Super Stock.

Why not just build a 1985 or newer and stay in Stock Eliminator most all have roller lifters from the factory , 38 years ago the American car manufactures pretty much switched to roller lifters ,and for a good reason the oil formulation changed , so fast forward to today ,like I have said before where were many of the keep the flat tappet cam alive racers when all the other rule changes over the years case in point a 68 Corba Jet C/SA went about 11.40 in 1978 ,today 10.30 I ran one 50 years ago ,and have a very clear understanding of how one goes over a second faster today. Wouldn't be all the rule changes would it, the same rule changes that apply today for most if not all the racers that say the same old if you want roller lifters ,they are legal ...in Super Stock
But wait what about all the rule changes racers took on there own to enhance other parts of the engine at a extremely high cost well we will just look the other way at those rule changes made by the racers themselves , the point is why other than for a few racers would the lifter problem be fixed by going to roller lifters at not only a much lower cost but ,and able to buy them .

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by Jim Kaekel

If you want roller lifters, they are legal...in Super Stock.

Jim, Why didn't I think about that. So all you guys that have an older than 85 car and need a set of lifters that are going to last. Just put your cars in a car crusher. Maybe Jim will post his phone number and start giving away his money if you can't afford a Super Stocker.

Jeff V don't get me wrong I like the new cars in Stock but most are closer to comp motor's than old school Stockers. With your car you don't have to worry about them.

James Perrone I'd guess knowing your engine builder you already have a set of Tool Steel lifters in your car. What if you break and need to fix it?

Sam I'm not sure how many sets of roller lifters there are but with almost all race engine using them. I'm sure the supply has to be greater than flat tappet lifters. I used Schubecks for years with no problems. But we all know someone that has lost a motor with them. I offered my old set to a friend but his engine builder wouldn't use them.

Rich I'm sure we all agree with you. We can only hope for change in our Country. I sold my business at the beginning of the year because I'm done counting on employee's. But it still doesn't fix the problem.

[Paul Precht]

Originally Posted by Sam Murray

The other side of the coin is if all the associations including NHRA allow rollers. How long will it take to be a supply chain issue for rollers? Are they available for every engine make?

There are power making aftermarket parts now that are only available for Chevys like the Dart blocks and other rule allowances that are available for most engines but were a serious performance gain for mostly popular GM engines.

[SDT1DYI]

There are some options if one does not want or can not afford to go the Tool steel/DCL lifter route.
Yes PPPC was saying lifter lead times were very long due to them having their machine down and they could not get it fixed. They could recondition lifters however .
I believe it is now repaired and running. I did get my set after 6 months wait .
Short of a Tool steel cam core, using P55 core and uncoated tool steel lifters will allow you to run 200-210 on the seat , 390 -400 over the nose. Only issue is you only get maybe 80-90 runs with it.
P 55 Cams are pretty cheap. You can get PPPC to polish the lifter face for 140.00 a set and a 1 week turnaround time.
Changing cams is a 3-4 hour job with a Comp 3 piece timing cover.
Certainly cost effect compared to TS/DCL 3 -4 K cost.
I just ordered a Total Seal ring set and spacers, Keith indicated 8 weeks.
Flat Tappet / Roller Cams in Stock debate, if they do every make this change, please NHRA
allow either or and 12 months advance notification of the change.

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620.

[john ancona]

Originally Posted by SDT1DYI

There are some options if one does not want or can not afford to go the Tool steel/DCL lifter route.
Yes PPPC was saying lifter lead times were very long due to them having their machine down and they could not get it fixed. They could recondition lifters however .
I believe it is now repaired and running. I did get my set after 6 months wait .
Short of a Tool steel cam core, using P55 core and uncoated tool steel lifters will allow you to run 200-210 on the seat , 390 -400 over the nose. Only issue is you only get maybe 80-90 runs with it.
P 55 Cams are pretty cheap. You can get PPPC to polish the lifter face for 140.00 a set and a 1 week turnaround time.
Changing cams is a 3-4 hour job with a Comp 3 piece timing cover.
Certainly cost effect compared to TS/DCL 3 -4 K cost.
I just ordered a Total Seal ring set and spacers, Keith indicated 8 weeks.
Flat Tappet / Roller Cams in Stock debate, if they do every make this change, please NHRA
allow either or and 12 months advance notification of the change.

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620.

Oh only a 6 months, it's now over a year now I have been waiting , so I did what all the (one more change to stock) Guy's are saying ,I built a Super stock engine to run in the mean time with the $ 650.00 dollar roller lifters while I wait for the what I think will be the $1400.00 to $ 2400.00 set . Lol

[Kingpen]

Was told yesterday NO P55 cores and are not going to make anymore either,that’s at Bullet and they have/had a very good core inventory awhile back......

[SSDiv6]

It is not only the automotive industry that is having supply chain issues.
I work for a supplier of military equipment and hardware for the Department of Defense.

We have a contract and are the sole supplier of all the fasteners that are used by the military on aircraft, ground vehicles and weapon systems for overhaul, repair and maintenance and have over 60K of SKU's we need to fulfill. We are talking of AN, MS, NAS fasteners such as bolts, screws, nuts, washers, rivets, etc...

Due to the supply chain issues for materials and many manufacturers closing, we have lead times on some items of 2 and 3 years! Also, the prices of many of the items we quoted , have increased in price as much as 60% from the original quote.

Yes, there is a supply chain issue in many ways for racing parts and also with the mergers, many companies have quit manufacturing many products.

[Larry Hill]

A simple but costly solution: Made In The USA

[SDT1DYI]

Originally Posted by john ancona

Oh only a 6 months, it's now over a year now I have been waiting , so I did what all the (one more change to stock) Guy's are saying ,I built a Super stock engine to run in the mean time with the $ 650.00 dollar roller lifters while I wait for the what I think will be the $1400.00 to $ 2400.00 set . Lol

John, I thought you were going with to race SS GT class with a 350 2 barrel?
How about a 5 HP penalty for Roller cam in stock?
If a change to Roller Cams is made then change the piston rings to what ever rings you want. Spacers are get expensive as well. Oh and then for low compression motors how about making pump gas legal in stock as well. Could save some money there as well. .

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620