Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Pretty sure the Antlocer car had a 4-speed manual trans, therefore couldn't have run in an auto class.

Here's a pic of the '61 that Hayden Proffitt drove @ Indy '61. It has both S/S & OS/S on it. I'm guessing that lots of racers back then referred to lots of classes as "Super Stock", & sorta lumped 'em all together, rather than callin 'em Top Stock & calling each class by it's specific designation. With this in mind, don't know exactly which specific Super Stock class Antlocer was saying he ran.

From my web site.

[oldskool]

"...Is there any chance that Antlocer 61 Bubbletop on pg14 of Boyce maybe was R/U at 1961 Indy & not 1962 Indy?..."

I don't have a clue.

Maybe he was just mistaken about that RU finish.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/200...agstrips-again



I just noticed this pic in the SS book. In the far lane of this 1st pic is the Myrtle Motors '67 Bird. Because of the way the A is written, I first thought it was marked A/SA. But, when I enlarged the pic, it actually looks to be H/SA.

That brings up the question:

Exactly which engine would a '67 Bird have to have, in order to run H/SA, back in the '60's ?

Since I have an old pic of a '67 400 RA Bird marked C/SA, I'd assume it would need to have a 326HO engine, to make H/SA. But, in the pic, the car has a 400 hood on it. Don't think a '67 400 RA Bird ever ran A class.

BUT, I do have at least 1 pic of Truman Fields '68 RA2 Bird marked A/S. But, that was in '72, which was one of the weird pure stock type years. So, I reckin it all depends on what year we are talkin about.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

"...Is there any chance that Antlocer 61 Bubbletop on pg14 of Boyce maybe was R/U at 1961 Indy & not 1962 Indy?..."

I don't have a clue.

Maybe he was just mistaken about that RU finish.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/200...agstrips-again



I just noticed this pic in the SS book. In the far lane of this 1st pic is the Myrtle Motors '67 Bird. Because of the way the A is written, I first thought it was marked A/SA. But, when I enlarged the pic, it actually looks to be H/SA.

That brings up the question:

Exactly which engine would a '67 Bird have to have, in order to run H/SA, back in the '60's ?

Since I have an old pic of a '67 400 RA Bird marked C/SA, I'd assume it would need to have a 326HO engine, to make H/SA. But, in the pic, the car has a 400 hood on it. Don't think a '67 400 RA Bird ever ran A class.

BUT, I do have at least 1 pic of Truman Fields '68 RA2 Bird marked A/S. But, that was in '72, which was one of the weird pure stock type years. So, I reckin it all depends on what year we are talkin about.

H/SA=
15.00 in 67
11.50 in 68
11.00 in 69
10.50 in 70-71

The 327/285hp 67 Bird has W/P=11.23 with Auto
So I'd guess 1969 H/SA=11.00 class
But then there's the 400 hood:

I dont see how a 67 Bird would fit in A/SA, ever, unless maybe in goofy 1972 when A/SA=9.00 class.
Then a 400 RA1 factored to 360hp would fit, W/P=9.01

Do you know what book/page that picture is from?

[oldskool]

"...Do you know what book/page that picture is from?..."

SS book p.137

Here's a couple more pics from the SS book.

#1 is a '64 GTO which was running in the AHRA F2 B/S class.

#2 is the Royal '66 C/S GTO, which ran the quickest ET in C/S, @ the '66 Winter Nats, but got a DQ because NHRA hadn't OK'd the factory RA set-up.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

"...Do you know what book/page that picture is from?..."

SS book p.137

Here's a couple more pics from the SS book.

#1 is a '64 GTO which was running in the AHRA F2 B/S class.

#2 is the Royal '66 C/S GTO, which ran the quickest ET in C/S, @ the '66 Winter Nats, but got a DQ because NHRA hadn't OK'd the factory RA set-up.

OK found it, forgot about that color section.
Looks like that picture has to be 1967, the only year that Sox's RO23 car ran in SS/B=7.00-7.69 class.

That means that for the 67 Bird:
A/SA=8.70-9.49 and
H/SA=15.00-15.59 not likely. No 67 Bird even fits in there.

But if the Bird is in A/SA, what does that mean?
3244/325=9.98 unfactored, doesnt fit A/SA=8.70-9.49 class.
3244/360=9.01 if the RA1 was factored to the GTO's 360hp already.

That factoring to 360hp could put a RA1 Bird into A/SA=8.70-9.49 class in 1967.
OK, sounds good.

But it presents another problem:
Tony Knieper ran a 67 Bird RA1 in SS/FA=9.50 at 68 Pomona.
How'd he do THAT then?
Unless it wasnt run as a RA1 car.
A base car fits SS/FA=9.50
3244/325=9.98
But the link below says RA1.
If we use the above logic and factor the RA1 to 360hp then
3244/360=9.01
That bumps the Knieper car from SS/FA=9.50 to SS/EA=8.70 class, but it ran in SS/FA=9.50 class.
So it had to have an NHRA rating of way less than 360hp, like 340hp or less. Would the RA1 Bird be factored to 360hp in 1967, then DOWN to 340hp in 1968, then back UP to 360hp for late 1968? Sounds unlikely.


Unless it wasnt run as a RA1 when it was R/U in SS/FA=9.50 class at 68 Pomona?
Since you're a Pontiac guy, here's the link!

https://www.hotrodders.com/threads/6...holder.144313/

Confusing story. Any ideas?

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

"...Do you know what book/page that picture is from?..."

SS book p.137

Here's a couple more pics from the SS book.

#1 is a '64 GTO which was running in the AHRA F2 B/S class.

#2 is the Royal '66 C/S GTO, which ran the quickest ET in C/S, @ the '66 Winter Nats, but got a DQ because NHRA hadn't OK'd the factory RA set-up.

Ive stolen the 2nd pic mate - check my 1966 web page under ‘Disquals’.

https://skunkwerkssuperstock.wordpre...-for-the-fans/

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by Terry Witzel

..Allie would have run either a '69 Mustang fastback or coupe 428 cj..



Bill Allie was a member of The Fastbacks racing team, but ran a '69 coupe with a vinyl top.

Thx Terry 👍