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[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Fiscal conservatism is a political and economic philosophy regarding fiscal policy and fiscal responsibility advocating low taxes, reduced government spending and minimal government debt.


JMO Sure sounds like the anti-Trump.



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[Superfan1]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Let me do this, before this thread goes away.

I'll cut right to the chase ,and then the back story, Certain PEEpS don't have much attention span.

The way I see it, liberals in motorsports walk around all day , stepping on their own ..you know whats, supporting causes and pols of the Left. I capitalize Left, because it is the religion of these folks.
We see the lawyers of the Left, teaming up with the homeowners of the Left, who hate racing, going before judges of the Left, to get racetracks put out of business, all across this country.
We also see them trying to pass noise ordinances, after they were dumb enough to buy near a racetrack.
We see the environmental whackos of the Left going after leaded racing fuels, in typical Lefty " save the planet" mode.
We see the politicians of the Left, raising taxes on the small and medium businesses, and forcing them to provide insurance or pay a fine. These are the people would build the parts we need such as pistons,cams, valves, etc. I personally have talked to probably 50 shops, who weren't hiring, and weren't investing in new equipment ,until Obama was gone. Now, under the Trump economy, they have expanded and are doing great.
There are also many minor league player of the Left involved here.

Bill, I grew up in the Big D land of Ct. too. My daddy told me I had to vote for the party of slavery and the KKK. How about yours? I didn't know any better. We weren't taught this in our schools..It was just JFK , all the time.
My mother was a State Rep. She ran unopposed a few times.No Republican would waste his money on a campaign there. I went to her victory parties and knew all her friends in politics. I had to register and vote "D" , otherwise she'd hear about it.
After I moved away and tried to start businesses, I found a new respect for conservatism. When I went back after 20 years, I found all my racing and hot rod friends listening to Rush, and reading Dr.Savage. I found out that 98% were conservative in their ideology. We never even talked about politics back in the 70's
But they must have used the same thought process I did.

Anyway, running long here.
Bottom line..If you're going to be a devotee of the Left, drive your Prius or ride your bicycle to work or play..Don't support motorsports , either as a racer or a professional spectator..In other words, walk the walk. Don't just talk the talk.. Don't be a hypocrite.

Any of "the squad" that has a cogent rebuttal, go for it ..No name calling , or I'll pull the whole thing.

Mark, I agree with most of what you said. I am not an environmentalist, I believe that climate change, if it is happening, is happening naturally, I hate seeing race tracks shutdown; if you are stupid enough to buy a house near a racetrack, that was your decision. When Englishtown closed it was like losing an old friend. I will never buy an electric car, a hybrid car, or anything other than a gasoline car.
My father and mother taught my sister and I that racism of any sort was evil. We were taught to never judge anyone by their race, ethnicity, or religion. I have lived my entire my life true to those principles.
This may sound simplistic, but I am a Democrat because I am a typical middle class American. The Republican party has traditionally been the party for the wealthy; while the Democrat party has traditionally been the party for the common man. It reminds me of a story that Hall of Fame NBA player Charles Barkley likes to tell - he happened to mention to his grandmother that he was a Republican, she questioned why because Republicans are for rich folks, to which Charles responded "but grandma, I am rich folks."
Good conversation Mark. We will agree to disagree on some things; but we also agree on many.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Superfan1

Mark, I agree with most of what you said. I am not an environmentalist, I believe that climate change, if it is happening, is happening naturally, I hate seeing race tracks shutdown; if you are stupid enough to buy a house near a racetrack, that was your decision. When Englishtown closed it was like losing an old friend. I will never buy an electric car, a hybrid car, or anything other than a gasoline car.
My father and mother taught my sister and I that racism of any sort was evil. We were taught to never judge anyone by their race, ethnicity, or religion. I have lived my entire my life true to those principles.
This may sound simplistic, but I am a Democrat because I am a typical middle class American. The Republican party has traditionally been the party for the wealthy; while the Democrat party has traditionally been the party for the common man. It reminds me of a story that Hall of Fame NBA player Charles Barkley likes to tell - he happened to mention to his grandmother that he was a Republican, she questioned why because Republicans are for rich folks, to which Charles responded "but grandma, I am rich folks."
Good conversation Mark. We will agree to disagree on some things; but we also agree on many.

Thanks, Bill
I was hoping I'd hear back, before this thread went away, which I predict it will.
Only thing I might add, at this point, is I believe party demographics have changed, since the time of JFK. Look at the last electoral map, where the large bi-coastal cities are D strongholds, and a large portion of the folks ( I'm being polite here) are dependent on government largess to survive. Nothing much has changed here, for the better, since to War on Povery ,over 50 years ago.
Then look at Trump Country, where the farms and a lot of the manufacturing job still are. These are not rich Republicans, by any means.
Something to think about..

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Superfan1

The Republican party has traditionally been the party for the wealthy; while the Democrat party has traditionally been the party for the common man.

Tell that to Abraham Lincoln. He fought a civil war against the southern states that were full of wealthy, slave holding Democrats and was eventually murdered by one. I wish that my Father was alive for you to tell that to. He grew up dirt poor working on a mid-western farm in a State full of Democratic, acreage owning farmers. The Democratic party being for the "common man" is just decades-old "spin".

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Tell that to Abraham Lincoln. He fought a civil war against the southern states that were full of wealthy, slave holding Democrats and was eventually murdered by one. I wish that my Father was alive for you to tell that to. He grew up dirt poor working on a mid-western farm in a State full of Democratic, acreage owning farmers. The Democratic party being for the "common man" is just decades-old "spin".

Billy, a lot of that is union spin..Just one of the many disparate groups making up the D party coalition today.
How about the trial lawyers? There's a bunch of common folk right there.

[Paul Sarvas]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Tell that to Abraham Lincoln. He fought a civil war against the southern states that were full of wealthy, slave holding Democrats and was eventually murdered by one. I wish that my Father was alive for you to tell that to. He grew up dirt poor working on a mid-western farm in a State full of Democratic, acreage owning farmers. The Democratic party being for the "common man" is just decades-old "spin".

Hold on a minute please...Neither party is clean here...Lotsa Dixiecrats switched parties after the Civil Rights Act was passed. We know how those folks vote now. To insinuate that only Democrates owned slaves 200 years ago and it is the same party now is ( I'm being polite here) misleading.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...s-chatter-fox/

How many of the 1000 richest familiesin the USA donated money to and voted for Democrates?


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