Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers - Page 19

oldskool · 01-12-2020, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick winchester

Bob also won SuperStock 5 years in a row when the Fall Classic was held at Edgewater.

Would LOVE to have some online records of those wins to post here !

oldskool · 01-12-2020, 07:30 PM

This was not a quick car. But it did run below it's index. Jay Cason was the driver.

The reason I'm posting it is because I've mentioned that I have seen very few 1967 GTO Stockers or Super Stockers listed. In fact, this may be the very 1st '67 SS GTO I've seen listed.

Don't know what it's best ET was. But it ran a 10.64 at Pomona. Assume it used the same engine combo as Randi Lyn's '67 Bird Stocker. And I know she has run some 10:30's, in Stock legal form. So, I see no reason why a Super Stock version of her engine would not run low 10's in a '67 GTO.

Don't really expect anybody to build one tho. That body style is not exactly aerodynamic.

Anyhow, does anybody have any pics or other info about this car, or any '67 SS GTO ?

He qualified below his index at Pomona, Phoenix, & Sonoma, in 1998.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=30914

oldskool · 01-13-2020, 11:26 PM

OK, I've listed lots of Stocker wins & other race results.

So, I'll start with the DRC records from 1998, lookin for Pontiac SS wins & other results.

I assume these will be very scattered, since there have been far fewer Pontiacs running SS, than stock. Have already mentioned the US Nats. So, I won't include any of those results, again.

If ya'll see a Pontiac powered GT car qualified above those I mention, on a Q-list, or in elimination results, please let me know. I don't know all the GT cars that had Pontiac power, especially if they were racing more than 5 years ago.

At the '98 Winter Nats, Don Kennedy was #17, with his 3rd gen GT Bird, & Keri Angeles was #20, with her '69 Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At Phoenix, Don was #15, & Sal Biondo was #16, in an '82 Bird. So, was that the Pontiac powered Phil Monteith 3rd gen Hatari Bird ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At this Houston race, J.B. Clegg was #42 on the list. The only reason I mention it, is because that is suppose to the former H-O Racing Specialties nat record holder '74 SD455 T/A.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At this Rockingham race, Johnny Duncan is #4 @ - 1.022, in an '82 Bird. So, was it Pontiac powered ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

OK, on this Farm Nats list is what I assume is the 400 Pontiac powered 4th gen Hatari car, driven by Peter Biondo. The Vic Santos 3rd gen is also on the list, along with Ken Shawver's '78 T/A.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At this TX race, J.B. turned a 10.747. I noticed that SS/KA had an index which was slightly quicker that the nat record the H-O car had set, in '77.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

Carroll Warling was #6, at the Mile-High Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At Sonoma, looks like Keri Angels & Jay Cason had the only Pontiac powered SS cars there, UNLESS Bob Bales '92 Firehawk had Pontiac power. I think you guys said that only his '73 SD455 Bird was Pontiac powered, correct ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

Jay Cason got RU ! Hey, that ain't bad. One of the slowest qualifiers was RU to the #1 qualifier.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At the Keystone Nats, Ken Shawver, Peter Biondo, & Vic Santos got their class wins.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At the Houston race, J.B. ran the '74 Bird in SS/JA, & went 10.528.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

Well, in '98, there were some Pontiac powered SS cars that ran good enuff to win races. But, I didn't find any winners. Jay Cason came close, with his '67 GTO.

While lookin for pics of J.B.'s car when it ran an auto trans, I found this pic. It shows a '73 GP that John Clegg ran. It was a feature car in the H-O newsletter. Article says it could run a 400, a D-port 455, or the round port SD455. Although the SD455 never came in anything but a '73-'74 Bird, apparently, NHRA has always allowed it, in other body styles, also.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...px?ENGINE=2080

oldskool · 01-14-2020, 06:48 AM

1999

At the Winter Nats, Bob Bales '92 Firehawk is shown in GT/AA. So, I assume it either had a big Pontiac, or a BBC engine. Can anybody settle this, for sure ? Did this car have Pontiac power, or not ?

Also on the list is Keri Angeles, and Art Peterson with his '69 GTO, as well as Bruce with his 3rd gen.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Don Kennedy was RU at this Stock/SS combo race in Tucson.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At the nat event in AZ, Don was #14 @ -.869. Keri was right behind @ -.866. Ryan Bales is listed driving the Firehawk, & Bruce is #40.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At Houston, J.B. Was #12 @ -.787.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At the gators, Peter was #37 @ -.944. Ken was#51 @ -.877.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Back to Houston, J.B. was #27 @ -.838.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Up to Ennis, & J.B. was #10 @ -.737.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At the Pennzoil Nats, Peter was #16 @ -.965. Sal Biondo was driving a '92 GT/IA Bird. Pontiac power ?. Sal Piacentini listed with a SS/MA '77 Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Peter won it !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At Englishtown, Peter was #12@ - 1.068.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Sal Biondo beat Peter in the qtr final, & won the race. So, somebody tell me if Sal's car had Pontiac power. If not, I'll edit this out.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

I think the pics below say that Sal Biondo won his 1st Nat event, in a 2nd gen T/A, at Englishtown, in 1990. I think that's Phil Monteith standing beside Sal. I assume that Phil is responsible for most, if not all the Pontiac power the Biondo clan raced. Not sure. Anybody know how the Biondo family got hooked up with Phil ?

oldskool · 01-14-2020, 07:33 AM

1999 contd.

At the Pontiac Excitement Nats, Peter was #15 @ -.795.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Stacy McCarty was on the Q-list at the Craftsman Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Peter won this FMDRS series event, in N.Y.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At Bristol, Peter was #1 @ -.987.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Peter also won this race. Hey, if you're #1 AND win, that's a pretty good race, huh ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At Sonoma, Keri was #18 @ -.777.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At the Keystone Nats, Peter was #12 @ -.953. Ken Shawver was #30 @ -.807.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Peter won this one !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At the Finals, Keri was #24 @ -.783.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Well, looks like this was the year Peter Biondo emerged as a Pontiac powered SS winner.

The pic below shows Peter in the winners circle for winning a FMDRS race in VA, in '99.

Billy Nees · 01-14-2020, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

While lookin for pics of J.B.'s car when it ran an auto trans, I found this pic. It shows a '73 GP that John Clegg ran. It was a feature car in the H-O newsletter. Article says it could run a 400, a D-port 455, or the round port SD455. Although the SD455 never came in anything but a '73-'74 Bird, apparently, NHRA has always allowed it, in other body styles, also.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...px?ENGINE=2080

Phil Szupka, an east coast "hitter" but seemingly forgotten in this Pontiac history lesson, had a 73 GP, 455SD that was bought new at the dealership that he was working in at the time. VERY rare car.

oldskool · 01-14-2020, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Phil Szupka, an east coast "hitter" but seemingly forgotten in this Pontiac history lesson, had a 73 GP, 455SD that was bought new at the dealership that he was working in at the time. VERY rare car.

Yeah, I'm sorry, but that is just a name I'm not familiar with. Would love for someone to post info about his Pontiacs & their performance & wins.

I've always read that the SD455 engines were only available in '73 & '74 Birds. I especially remember that a car mag had already pronounced the SD455 GTO as their Car of the Year, on the cover. But, the GTO was supposedly never offered with the SD455 as an option. But, if a GP came off the assembly line with one, I suppose it's not unreasonable to think that a Lemans, GA, or GTO may have, also. As mentioned, NHRA allows the SD455 in several body styles.

"...The legendary 310-horse SD 455 engine was planned as an option for the Grand Am and GTO but remained exclusive to the Trans Am. A Grand Am in Pontiac’s official promotional photos, painted Desert Sand, showed SD-455 callouts on the front fenders..."

As most know, the 310hp version was never released. But the 290hp version came in both T/A & Formula models. So, IF somebody did buy a factory produced SD455 car, that was not a Firebird, it is indeed a VERY rare car, as mentioned.

Posted in a Hot Rod mag article:

"...Restricted Duty
The SD-455 was originally scheduled to be offered in several Pontiac models, including the Grand Prix and Le Mans/GTO. The EPA-driven production delays squashed those plans, as Pontiac focused on certifying the engine solely for the F-Body platform. That didn’t stop one magazine, however, from prematurely declaring the Super Duty–powered 1973 GTO its Car of the Year..."

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/articl...ar-that-wasnt/

Mike Jones · 01-14-2020, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

1999
I assume that Phil is responsible for most, if not all the Pontiac power the Biondo clan raced. Not sure. Anybody know how the Biondo family got hooked up with Phil ?

Phil and Sam Biondo, the boys` father, both raced Pontiacs, in a Chevrolet world. I met Phil in 1978 and he ate, slept and drank Pontiacs.
MJ

oldskool · 01-14-2020, 10:14 AM

"...Phil Szupka, an east coast "hitter" but seemingly forgotten in this Pontiac history lesson..."

Since his name has been broght up twice in the thread, I decided to Google him & see what turned up.

Seems he was voted into the div 1 hall of fame. Also said he raced Pontiacs til he quit driving.

https://classracer.com/magazine/?p=4268

From the small pic in that article, it appears to be a '74 or earlier T/A. Can't see the front or the rear. Has "Pontiaction" on the door.

OK, here's more info. This pdf of an H-O newsletter not only has the Clegg SD455 GP on the cover, but, on page 5, also mentions that Phil beat Fred Moore for the SS win at a big race at Maple Grove. Says Phil's car was the former Herslow & Morlock Bird.

http://missiongarage.com/photogaller...t-nov-1977.pdf

I don't suppose there are many online records of his driving accomplishments. At least I haven't found much.

RacerET · 01-14-2020, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

1999

At the Winter Nats, Bob Bales '92 Firehawk is shown in GT/AA. So, I assume it either had a big Pontiac, or a BBC engine. Can anybody settle this, for sure ? Did this car have Pontiac power, or not ?

Also on the list is Keri Angeles, and Art Peterson with his '69 GTO, as well as Bruce with his 3rd gen.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Don Kennedy was RU at this Stock/SS combo race in Tucson.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At the nat event in AZ, Don was #14 @ -.869. Keri was right behind @ -.866. Ryan Bales is listed driving the Firehawk, & Bruce is #40.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At Houston, J.B. Was #12 @ -.787.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At the gators, Peter was #37 @ -.944. Ken was#51 @ -.877.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Back to Houston, J.B. was #27 @ -.838.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Up to Ennis, & J.B. was #10 @ -.737.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At the Pennzoil Nats, Peter was #16 @ -.965. Sal Biondo was driving a '92 GT/IA Bird. Pontiac power ?. Sal Piacentini listed with a SS/MA '77 Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Peter won it !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

At Englishtown, Peter was #12@ - 1.068.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

Sal Biondo beat Peter in the qtr final, & won the race. So, somebody tell me if Sal's car had Pontiac power. If not, I'll edit this out.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

I think the pics below say that Sal Biondo won his 1st Nat event, in a 2nd gen T/A, at Englishtown, in 1990. I think that's Phil Monteith standing beside Sal. I assume that Phil is responsible for most, if not all the Pontiac power the Biondo clan raced. Not sure. Anybody know how the Biondo family got hooked up with Phil ?

Sam Biondo & Phil Monteith have been together since National Speed way on Long Island. the year ?.The Biondo Pontiac cars were powered by Phil. The Sal photo was his first National win with Phil,Sam& Peter in that shot.

01-12-2020, 07:30 PM	#182
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers This was not a quick car. But it did run below it's index. Jay Cason was the driver. The reason I'm posting it is because I've mentioned that I have seen very few 1967 GTO Stockers or Super Stockers listed. In fact, this may be the very 1st '67 SS GTO I've seen listed. Don't know what it's best ET was. But it ran a 10.64 at Pomona. Assume it used the same engine combo as Randi Lyn's '67 Bird Stocker. And I know she has run some 10:30's, in Stock legal form. So, I see no reason why a Super Stock version of her engine would not run low 10's in a '67 GTO. Don't really expect anybody to build one tho. That body style is not exactly aerodynamic. Anyhow, does anybody have any pics or other info about this car, or any '67 SS GTO ? He qualified below his index at Pomona, Phoenix, & Sonoma, in 1998. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=30914 Last edited by oldskool; 01-12-2020 at 08:17 PM.

01-13-2020, 11:26 PM	#183
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers OK, I've listed lots of Stocker wins & other race results. So, I'll start with the DRC records from 1998, lookin for Pontiac SS wins & other results. I assume these will be very scattered, since there have been far fewer Pontiacs running SS, than stock. Have already mentioned the US Nats. So, I won't include any of those results, again. If ya'll see a Pontiac powered GT car qualified above those I mention, on a Q-list, or in elimination results, please let me know. I don't know all the GT cars that had Pontiac power, especially if they were racing more than 5 years ago. At the '98 Winter Nats, Don Kennedy was #17, with his 3rd gen GT Bird, & Keri Angeles was #20, with her '69 Bird. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop At Phoenix, Don was #15, & Sal Biondo was #16, in an '82 Bird. So, was that the Pontiac powered Phil Monteith 3rd gen Hatari Bird ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop At this Houston race, J.B. Clegg was #42 on the list. The only reason I mention it, is because that is suppose to the former H-O Racing Specialties nat record holder '74 SD455 T/A. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop At this Rockingham race, Johnny Duncan is #4 @ - 1.022, in an '82 Bird. So, was it Pontiac powered ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop OK, on this Farm Nats list is what I assume is the 400 Pontiac powered 4th gen Hatari car, driven by Peter Biondo. The Vic Santos 3rd gen is also on the list, along with Ken Shawver's '78 T/A. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop At this TX race, J.B. turned a 10.747. I noticed that SS/KA had an index which was slightly quicker that the nat record the H-O car had set, in '77. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop Carroll Warling was #6, at the Mile-High Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop At Sonoma, looks like Keri Angels & Jay Cason had the only Pontiac powered SS cars there, UNLESS Bob Bales '92 Firehawk had Pontiac power. I think you guys said that only his '73 SD455 Bird was Pontiac powered, correct ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop Jay Cason got RU ! Hey, that ain't bad. One of the slowest qualifiers was RU to the #1 qualifier. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop At the Keystone Nats, Ken Shawver, Peter Biondo, & Vic Santos got their class wins. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop At the Houston race, J.B. ran the '74 Bird in SS/JA, & went 10.528. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop Well, in '98, there were some Pontiac powered SS cars that ran good enuff to win races. But, I didn't find any winners. Jay Cason came close, with his '67 GTO. While lookin for pics of J.B.'s car when it ran an auto trans, I found this pic. It shows a '73 GP that John Clegg ran. It was a feature car in the H-O newsletter. Article says it could run a 400, a D-port 455, or the round port SD455. Although the SD455 never came in anything but a '73-'74 Bird, apparently, NHRA has always allowed it, in other body styles, also. http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...px?ENGINE=2080 Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-13-2020 at 11:29 PM.

01-14-2020, 06:48 AM	#184
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers 1999 At the Winter Nats, Bob Bales '92 Firehawk is shown in GT/AA. So, I assume it either had a big Pontiac, or a BBC engine. Can anybody settle this, for sure ? Did this car have Pontiac power, or not ? Also on the list is Keri Angeles, and Art Peterson with his '69 GTO, as well as Bruce with his 3rd gen. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Don Kennedy was RU at this Stock/SS combo race in Tucson. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At the nat event in AZ, Don was #14 @ -.869. Keri was right behind @ -.866. Ryan Bales is listed driving the Firehawk, & Bruce is #40. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At Houston, J.B. Was #12 @ -.787. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At the gators, Peter was #37 @ -.944. Ken was#51 @ -.877. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Back to Houston, J.B. was #27 @ -.838. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Up to Ennis, & J.B. was #10 @ -.737. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At the Pennzoil Nats, Peter was #16 @ -.965. Sal Biondo was driving a '92 GT/IA Bird. Pontiac power ?. Sal Piacentini listed with a SS/MA '77 Bird. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Peter won it ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At Englishtown, Peter was #12@ - 1.068. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Sal Biondo beat Peter in the qtr final, & won the race. So, somebody tell me if Sal's car had Pontiac power. If not, I'll edit this out. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop I think the pics below say that Sal Biondo won his 1st Nat event, in a 2nd gen T/A, at Englishtown, in 1990. I think that's Phil Monteith standing beside Sal. I assume that Phil is responsible for most, if not all the Pontiac power the Biondo clan raced. Not sure. Anybody know how the Biondo family got hooked up with Phil ? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-14-2020 at 08:09 AM.

01-14-2020, 07:33 AM	#185
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers 1999 contd. At the Pontiac Excitement Nats, Peter was #15 @ -.795. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Stacy McCarty was on the Q-list at the Craftsman Nats. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Peter won this FMDRS series event, in N.Y. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At Bristol, Peter was #1 @ -.987. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Peter also won this race. Hey, if you're #1 AND win, that's a pretty good race, huh ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At Sonoma, Keri was #18 @ -.777. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At the Keystone Nats, Peter was #12 @ -.953. Ken Shawver was #30 @ -.807. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Peter won this one ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At the Finals, Keri was #24 @ -.783. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Well, looks like this was the year Peter Biondo emerged as a Pontiac powered SS winner. The pic below shows Peter in the winners circle for winning a FMDRS race in VA, in '99. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-14-2020 at 07:58 AM.

01-14-2020, 10:14 AM	#189
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers "...Phil Szupka, an east coast "hitter" but seemingly forgotten in this Pontiac history lesson..." Since his name has been broght up twice in the thread, I decided to Google him & see what turned up. Seems he was voted into the div 1 hall of fame. Also said he raced Pontiacs til he quit driving. https://classracer.com/magazine/?p=4268 From the small pic in that article, it appears to be a '74 or earlier T/A. Can't see the front or the rear. Has "Pontiaction" on the door. OK, here's more info. This pdf of an H-O newsletter not only has the Clegg SD455 GP on the cover, but, on page 5, also mentions that Phil beat Fred Moore for the SS win at a big race at Maple Grove. Says Phil's car was the former Herslow & Morlock Bird. http://missiongarage.com/photogaller...t-nov-1977.pdf I don't suppose there are many online records of his driving accomplishments. At least I haven't found much. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-14-2020 at 11:03 AM.