NHRA 2020 Rule Amendment SS Intakes???

[bykr]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

When Dave Smith (ProTrans) and his brother ran their 383 'Cuda many years ago, it had an adapted BBC intake.

The BBC has a pitch of 4.84 and the Mopar BB has 4.80. The port runner layout for both is: 00 00

How about fitting a 351-C intake on an FE engine? It can be done with the adapter shown below:




Engine builders and racers can get creative in many ways.
Nevertheless, what is the fuzz all about when they allow sheet metal intakes?

As a matter of fact, Buicks are adapting Mopar intakes.

That FE intake adapter is junk.No one runs it that I know of.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by bykr

That FE intake adapter is junk.No one runs it that I know of.

Does it really matter? It shows this shyt has been around, and other builders are using it, other than sbc offenders!

[bubski]

Nobody is gonna question Gulius's innovation n pushing the limits of the rules !! A true innovator !! However he's just as good of a salesman !! Your new [legal heads] will probably be faster than the old ones !! just fork up the cash n maybe get a sheetmetal intake so it won't look so obvious !!

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by bykr

That FE intake adapter is junk.No one runs it that I know of.

It was never built for SS, I suppose you have first hand knowledge why it’s “junk”?

[Monte Howard]

I have one question after reading all this. Is a sheet metal Intake legal on a traditional Superstock engine?

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by Mike Gray

It was never built for SS, I suppose you have first hand knowledge why it’s “junk”?

So was it built for Stock, where it was really illegal???

[bykr]

Originally Posted by Mike Gray

It was never built for SS, I suppose you have first hand knowledge why it’s “junk”?

I do, I owned one. The Cleveland intake that it attaches to has runners that aren't nearly as long as the FE so the adapter has to make some fairly abrupt bends on the end cylinders. Fast guys were taking a Ford tunnelwedge 2-4bbl. intake and making a 1-4bbl.intake out of it like Holbrook, but $$. The Edelbrock Victor for the FE pretty much killed any thought of this adapter being used.

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

I don't think any racing style aftermarket manifolds were made for Cadillacs. Ken Sharp come to mind.

So, if you choose to run Super Stock with an odd ball combination and an aftermarket intake is not available for it, I guess your only "LEGAL" option is to have a custom sheet metal intake built to fit without any adapter or spacer plates. Also, whatever make combination you run, if there is an aftermarket intake made for your engine, you should use that intake. Period. Not adapt a Chevy to a Mopar, etc.

This was the point of my post!

[Erik Jones]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

So, if you choose to run Super Stock with an odd ball combination and an aftermarket intake is not available for it, I guess your only "LEGAL" option is to have a custom sheet metal intake built to fit without any adapter or spacer plates. Also, whatever make combination you run, if there is an aftermarket intake made for your engine, you should use that intake. Period. Not adapt a Chevy to a Mopar, etc.

This was the point of my post!

Really? the word "any" in the rule book under super stock says it all. We have been using all types of manifolds on our Dodge stuff for years...Including billets that I make...and the last time i checked "Jones" is not an OEM manufacture.

The stupid part of this whole thing is the people who think they know what the fast guys are doing are driving this train. The original addition to the rule that i submitted for that was approved and added to the rule book was then removed a couple months later ("Intake manifold bolt holes must remain in the OEM unaltered location").Then we get this new rule that is totally out in left field and basically eliminates a bunch of 60-80 under cars that have been racing for a long time under the original Super Stock rules. There has never been a rule on Intake flange angles and there shouldn't be one now.

The original intent of the rule I submitted for was to stop the guys that "Think" they know what the fast guys are doing from going way to far and turning it into SS/AH...and we all know where those head rules are now. When the smoke clears, the fast guys are still going to be fast. Anyone that was sold on the idea that adding this to the rule book would slow certain classes or engine combos down and bring it all back to normal has another thing coming.....

And just to clear the air, the 37 phone calls i got asking the question if Zavalas heads are done this way the answer is still no.... The ones that i have this way have been like that for well over 8 years and it has never been a problem before.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Erik Jones

Really? the word "any" in the rule book under super stock says it all. We have been using all types of manifolds on our Dodge stuff for years...Including billets that I make...and the last time i checked "Jones" is not an OEM manufacture.

The stupid part of this whole thing is the people who think they know what the fast guys are doing are driving this train. The original addition to the rule that i submitted for that was approved and added to the rule book was then removed a couple months later ("Intake manifold bolt holes must remain in the OEM unaltered location").Then we get this new rule that is totally out in left field and basically eliminates a bunch of 60-80 under cars that have been racing for a long time under the original Super Stock rules. There has never been a rule on Intake flange angles and there shouldn't be one now.

The original intent of the rule I submitted for was to stop the guys that "Think" they know what the fast guys are doing from going way to far and turning it into SS/AH...and we all know where those head rules are now. When the smoke clears, the fast guys are still going to be fast. Anyone that was sold on the idea that adding this to the rule book would slow certain classes or engine combos down and bring it all back to normal has another thing coming.....

And just to clear the air, the 37 phone calls i got asking the question if Zavalas heads are done this way the answer is still no.... The ones that i have this way have been like that for well over 8 years and it has never been a problem before.

NHRA, trying to shut the gate the baby piglets used, after they're full grown pigs. Typical.....