Index Change Rumor - Page 2

Rat Raceway · 11-24-2019, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hawk

I do !!!!!!!!!

^Mad respect for this incredible Stock Eliminator racer, no hate at all! Glad to know you Sir!!!!

farmco r/sa · 11-24-2019, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hawk

I do !!!!!!!!!

X2..

B Parker · 11-23-2019, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by duster1256

I work on my car all the time and probably spent more than I should of to get the car back out. I never said anyone is cheating nor did I say you have to be a millionaire to race, it has just gotten a little out of control.

My post was not intended for you just a general post. I've raced Chevy's most of my life for several different reasons. The main one has alway been parts availability and prices for them. I still think for reasonable money you can have a competitive Stocker. Look at all the 98 and 99 Camaro's and Firebirds that are out there for sale. Twenty five grand can buy you a really nice car. Yes Twenty Five grand. It is almost 2020 and twenty Five thousand unfortunately is not a lot of money. BP

Billy Nees · 11-23-2019, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

It is almost 2020 and twenty Five thousand unfortunately is not a lot of money. BP

Yes Barry, it is and NO, I don't have a problem with you.. Ya know NHRA keeps harping about how they want to get "young blood" into this sport. How easy to come by do you think 25K is when you're a 20-30 year old with a college loan, a new bride and dreams of buying a house? Or a 30-40 year old with a mortgage and young children? Or a 40-50 year old with college age kids and still paying on that 20-30 year mortgage?
And NHRA and Racers alike can't figure out why the majority of Racers that have the time and money to go to 4-5-6 Divisional and 4-5 National events are 60-70 even 80 years old and retired?
Enjoy your 25K "cheap" Racecar now because we are going to fast become extinct and then you can turn your 25K "cheap" Racecar into yard art cause you won't be able to find anyone to sell it to.

Myron Piatek · 11-23-2019, 05:11 PM

Even if you get a deal on a reasonably fast race car, you have to have the time & money to maintain that level. This becomes harder if indexes keep getting lowered. All that does is steepen the learning and financial curve needed, which can get discouraging to start or even maintain a racing program. Slower cars can still be competitive in regular eliminations by (not easily) achieving the current "minimum performance standard" (index), but they have to accept the odds in possible heads-up runs.

There are several opportunities for "fast" cars - qualifying, class eliminations & regular random heads-up runs, without discouraging the slower cars. There has to be a balance for Sportsman racers because too much emphasis on having to be among the fastest brings it closer to a Pro-like atmosphere ($$$) and it's obvious that many can't maintain that level there even with sponsorship. Pro's barely have full fields. Luckily. Stock & SS still, usually, do.

IMO National events are detrimental to Sportsman racing because of the low quotas and high investment in grading points. While a local racer may still not be able to afford to enter a "local" national, the "Baby Gators" trend may be helpful by providing for a greater number of cars to run heads-up for class.

Sure, Stock & SS is "performance based". But even from the start when you could be competitive with a street legal car off the showroom, it was more creativity within the rules and driving skill, not necessarily money. They are, after all, "Sportsman" classes.

Can't help but wonder if this is even a possible a rumor or someone just doing their annual "pot stirring" to see who they can get fired up.

Mark Yacavone · 11-22-2019, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by duster1256

It doesn't matter how old or new your car is its how deep your wallet is. As a school teacher I race on a limited budget and if this change is made I'll be done with stock. I love to race but chasing stock eliminator has gotten way out of hand. Just my 2cents.

Looks like you can run 2/10's under, with a good, proven combination.
What's the problem? There are Mopar guys here that could get you two more tenths over the phone.
Of course you still won't survive too many heads up runs, but you knew that going in, didn't you?

Mepprecht · 11-23-2019, 12:24 AM

All I can say is keyboard warriors never lose!!!

Bob Mulry · 11-23-2019, 02:05 AM

The less knowledge that you have, the more expensive a fast racecar is...

B Parker · 11-23-2019, 02:36 AM

I would prefer they adjust the AHFS rather than lower the index's. I understand you need to play the AHFS game but it would be nice to see it reflect the increase in ET's over the last 13 years. Just take a look at Indy's fast cars in each class back then and compare it to this year.

11-23-2019, 05:11 PM	#5
Myron Piatek VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,542 Likes: 34 Liked 138 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor Even if you get a deal on a reasonably fast race car, you have to have the time & money to maintain that level. This becomes harder if indexes keep getting lowered. All that does is steepen the learning and financial curve needed, which can get discouraging to start or even maintain a racing program. Slower cars can still be competitive in regular eliminations by (not easily) achieving the current "minimum performance standard" (index), but they have to accept the odds in possible heads-up runs. There are several opportunities for "fast" cars - qualifying, class eliminations & regular random heads-up runs, without discouraging the slower cars. There has to be a balance for Sportsman racers because too much emphasis on having to be among the fastest brings it closer to a Pro-like atmosphere ($$$) and it's obvious that many can't maintain that level there even with sponsorship. Pro's barely have full fields. Luckily. Stock & SS still, usually, do. IMO National events are detrimental to Sportsman racing because of the low quotas and high investment in grading points. While a local racer may still not be able to afford to enter a "local" national, the "Baby Gators" trend may be helpful by providing for a greater number of cars to run heads-up for class. Sure, Stock & SS is "performance based". But even from the start when you could be competitive with a street legal car off the showroom, it was more creativity within the rules and driving skill, not necessarily money. They are, after all, "Sportsman" classes. Can't help but wonder if this is even a possible a rumor or someone just doing their annual "pot stirring" to see who they can get fired up. __________________ LOCOMOTION Racing

11-23-2019, 12:24 AM	#7
Mepprecht Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: harleysville Posts: 70 Likes: 20 Liked 68 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor All I can say is keyboard warriors never lose!!! __________________ Mike Epprecht 94 caprice P/SA - SS/PA 265

11-23-2019, 02:05 AM	#8
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor The less knowledge that you have, the more expensive a fast racecar is... __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

11-23-2019, 02:36 AM	#9
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 854 Likes: 1,006 Liked 2,360 Times in 467 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor I would prefer they adjust the AHFS rather than lower the index's. I understand you need to play the AHFS game but it would be nice to see it reflect the increase in ET's over the last 13 years. Just take a look at Indy's fast cars in each class back then and compare it to this year.