Gator class teardowns - Page 3

Wade Mahaffey · 04-03-2017, 10:13 PM

Sorry, double post

Wade Mahaffey · 04-03-2017, 10:32 PM

Now I don't have a dog in the fight, but I do have a puppy that I'm growing to be in the fight. I will be just a rookie in the Super/Stock thing, but it seems to me that one of the main issues of the NHRA folks, is they won't run IHRA because of the policing of the class rules on cars. Now it seems that NHRA is slipping down to IHRA tear down status. Does that mean that some will now come over to IHRA?
Check this out:
And second, why couldn't they "tech mark" engine components, to be checked later on the winners of heads up runs only in the eliminator. They could do that on a case by case basis. In other words, If a race was decided by something other than horsepower (where both cars ran full to the stripe), i.e. red light, cross the center line, obviously spun the tire, etc. in which case a car would not be marked because the run was obviously compromised, and not due to one car being faster. Now, if the two cars had a good pass together, the loser could wave the marking should they desire. But if the loser wanted the car marked, and then torn down and checked at the end of the day... should the winner be illegal, then the loser of the heads up run must be checked in the same way... and if found to be in compliance.... the original winner of the heads up that was dirty pays 5K to the loser, who after all... should have continued in eliminations, but was pushed out by an illegal entry. If the loser was dirty in the same way as the dirty winner, the winner pays nothing, and both are checked before the next race. If there's no heads up runs, the barn stays empty. Because it's a dial in race at that point anyway. Cheaters would think twice about it, if it would cost them 5K if caught out of compliance by NHRA rules. And the loser would think twice before protesting the winner, because he would have to come down as well, should the winner be dirty....to be declared legal and claim the 5K

Wade Mahaffey

Ed Carpenter · 04-03-2017, 11:30 PM

When we first started in SS in 2007 cars got torn down all the time. Slowly it has dwindled to nada at divisional events.........In the fall were gonna try to set the SS/H record. I'm assuming well.be torn down......😉

farmco r/sa · 04-07-2017, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by toby lang

hey, i know nobody would blatantly cheat in d7 or have 5-10 people knowingly help them blatantly cheat either.

lmfao ....

fordteacherguy · 03-23-2017, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Fletcher

With all due respect, there isn't even an entry tech inspection anymore, just a random spot check at some point during qualifying. The tech department appears to have been gutted by budget cuts just like most every other aspect of the company that is representative to the sportsman racer. You actually think there is manpower to do teardown? Simply not happening. If you want to cheat and can somehow feel good about yourself or your accomplishments, now is your time...

There are only two things that keeps cheating off of the race track...integrity or paranoia. The first you don't have to worry about...those who have it carry it all the time ..the second set need the rules in place to keep in line. So we need some simple paranoia back in the rules again...how about ALL WINNERS UNDERGO TECHNICAL INSPECTION! Note...I don't wan't that defined what that means..tear down..maybe..look for electronic goodies...maybe. The argument of "what happens if they don't pass?" can be easily dealt with with simple rule changes. Since NHRA doesn't have the manpower or talent to inspect all class cars for legality in the beginning...at least have the manpower to inspect 1 car at the end. Personally I would rather tear my car down at the end of the race and load it up and put it together at home. Ever leave a race after winning or runner up? You are not going anywhere for hours anyway. BRING BACK PARANOIA! ALL WINNERS UNDERGO TECHNICAL INSPECTION!

goinbroke2 · 03-23-2017, 09:03 AM

Started a long post and realised I was parroting what fordteacherguy said.
So, to recap;
1) ALL WINNERS UNDERGO TECHNICAL INSPECTION
2) "what happens if they don't pass?" rule changes
3) I would rather tear my car down at the end of the race and load it up and put it together at home

I think nhra has thrown up their hands and won't do tear downs unless another racer protests. The benefit for nhra is bare minimal cost to tech, no cost to police the class. Basically show up with your cars to run your little race during our race weekend with your own tech or whatever it is you class guys do. Don't bother us, just feed us $$ for using the track.

I remember seeing clippings of old nhra races (50-60's) where the winner was deemed illegal and lost the trophy so it wouldn't be the first time this has been done.

Sliding more towards the "factory appearing" racing then tight ruled class racing.....

Frank Bialas · 04-04-2017, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Fletcher

With all due respect, there isn't even an entry tech inspection anymore, just a random spot check at some point during qualifying. The tech department appears to have been gutted by budget cuts just like most every other aspect of the company that is representative to the sportsman racer. You actually think there is manpower to do teardown? Simply not happening. If you want to cheat and can somehow feel good about yourself or your accomplishments, now is your time...

NO RESPECT!!! Was beat in INDY in early rounds by a CHEATER, no names but you know who you are,after tear down he had 5 major infractions and sent home for a year with his late round earnings, while I groped my cooler for a cold one!!! Fair my azz, bad enough I run a mopar with no extra/fancy ENTITLEMENTS from NHRA, just not fun anymore!!! THE LONGER YOU STAY AWAY THE EASIER IT IS TO QUIT!!!

farmco r/sa · 04-07-2017, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Fletcher

With all due respect, there isn't even an entry tech inspection anymore, just a random spot check at some point during qualifying. The tech department appears to have been gutted by budget cuts just like most every other aspect of the company that is representative to the sportsman racer. You actually think there is manpower to do teardown? Simply not happening. If you want to cheat and can somehow feel good about yourself or your accomplishments, now is your time...

Thanks Dan for your candid honest assesment of the current
state of things. I do not see you comment real often. When you
do it is thought out, worth while and intelligent. Kinda goes with
out saying for a guy who is bumping 100 national event wins.

Makes me sad and depressed. Oddly enough I feel kind of blessed
I was torn down in Topeka kansas nearly 20 years ago when
teardowns were not unusual. With the help of friend and stock
legend Bob Shaw I passed and got the car put back together
succesfully. Felt good about being found legit. Also set a few national
records, torn down with help from other friends as well.

Now wondering do they even weigh or check fuel....??

04-03-2017, 10:13 PM	#1
Wade Mahaffey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 581 Likes: 0 Liked 18 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Gator class teardowns Sorry, double post Last edited by Wade Mahaffey; 04-03-2017 at 10:37 PM. Reason: double post

04-03-2017, 10:32 PM	#2
Wade Mahaffey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 581 Likes: 0 Liked 18 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Gator class teardowns Now I don't have a dog in the fight, but I do have a puppy that I'm growing to be in the fight. I will be just a rookie in the Super/Stock thing, but it seems to me that one of the main issues of the NHRA folks, is they won't run IHRA because of the policing of the class rules on cars. Now it seems that NHRA is slipping down to IHRA tear down status. Does that mean that some will now come over to IHRA? Check this out: And second, why couldn't they "tech mark" engine components, to be checked later on the winners of heads up runs only in the eliminator. They could do that on a case by case basis. In other words, If a race was decided by something other than horsepower (where both cars ran full to the stripe), i.e. red light, cross the center line, obviously spun the tire, etc. in which case a car would not be marked because the run was obviously compromised, and not due to one car being faster. Now, if the two cars had a good pass together, the loser could wave the marking should they desire. But if the loser wanted the car marked, and then torn down and checked at the end of the day... should the winner be illegal, then the loser of the heads up run must be checked in the same way... and if found to be in compliance.... the original winner of the heads up that was dirty pays 5K to the loser, who after all... should have continued in eliminations, but was pushed out by an illegal entry. If the loser was dirty in the same way as the dirty winner, the winner pays nothing, and both are checked before the next race. If there's no heads up runs, the barn stays empty. Because it's a dial in race at that point anyway. Cheaters would think twice about it, if it would cost them 5K if caught out of compliance by NHRA rules. And the loser would think twice before protesting the winner, because he would have to come down as well, should the winner be dirty....to be declared legal and claim the 5K Wade Mahaffey

04-03-2017, 11:30 PM	#3
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Gator class teardowns When we first started in SS in 2007 cars got torn down all the time. Slowly it has dwindled to nada at divisional events.........In the fall were gonna try to set the SS/H record. I'm assuming well.be torn down......😉 __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

03-23-2017, 09:03 AM	#6
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 901 Likes: 1,713 Liked 405 Times in 158 Posts	Re: Gator class teardowns Started a long post and realised I was parroting what fordteacherguy said. So, to recap; 1) ALL WINNERS UNDERGO TECHNICAL INSPECTION 2) "what happens if they don't pass?" rule changes 3) I would rather tear my car down at the end of the race and load it up and put it together at home I think nhra has thrown up their hands and won't do tear downs unless another racer protests. The benefit for nhra is bare minimal cost to tech, no cost to police the class. Basically show up with your cars to run your little race during our race weekend with your own tech or whatever it is you class guys do. Don't bother us, just feed us $$ for using the track. I remember seeing clippings of old nhra races (50-60's) where the winner was deemed illegal and lost the trophy so it wouldn't be the first time this has been done. Sliding more towards the "factory appearing" racing then tight ruled class racing.....