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Old 02-06-2016, 05:19 AM   #1
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Default Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.

Casey: I am with you on this one.

This is the most interesting change proposed since we changed from
1/2 Second brackets to a dial in ( Mid 60s out West).

Not reallyto our personal advantage at our home bracket races....but a fair change for
everyone.

We dial our cars at absolutely the bottom allowed in Sportsman Bracket.........
We win the LVMS track championship more years than not = because of the
advantage of leaving last (Always chasing does not hurt either)......But it is high time to level the field and make it fair for everyone. I am not saying it is a Giant advantage but where the racer are all pretty evenly
matched......by the end of a 12 race series it is often enough to make the difference!

Our track car count has been dropping like a rock in Sportsman the last
few years as competitors notice the top 5 in points looks like a 12.0 Index
Class every year.

We used to have 40 or 50 cars or more often at the dozen track points meets in Sportsman at one of the nicest track in the country.....Now a Dozen
low 12 Cars are often all that is there. It is not economically possible
to run a big expensive tracklike LVMS on that Amount of car count.
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Old 02-06-2016, 08:35 AM   #2
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Guys with the real fast cars that always leave last won't like losing that advantage. I honestly can't see how anyone could really say it's wrong..
Just the thought of it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. I must be getting old.
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:25 AM   #3
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First OR worst Long overdue, hope it gets adopted
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Old 02-06-2016, 10:15 AM   #4
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Just the thought of it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. I must be getting old.
A lot of racers with FAST cars and fatter wallets were squirming in their chairs upon hearing this news.
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:47 PM   #5
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Just a thought, but rather than delay the red lights just don't show them on handicap starts. After both cars have finished the run, display the proper win light. This would promote full run racing, might be less confusing for the fans and better entertainment. The announcer can always explain that win/loss based on reaction time.
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:24 PM   #6
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Default Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.

Good idea I like it -

I wonder since you are in favor of eliminating the "first" rule why not the "worst" rule - from the "first or worst"

You both lose - I am sure I will be told what is wrong with that.

I see nothing wrong - you both left early and you should both be out.

Go ahead - unload on that idea.

Means no competitor moves on - if it is a final round there is no winner - now it really gets complicated to go back to semis or "divi" up points and money.

So what - you red lit - you lose

I am entitled to my humble opinion
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:32 PM   #7
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Kind of an interesting take on "first and Worst" to have both lose if they both red light.
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:13 PM   #8
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Good idea I like it -

I wonder since you are in favor of eliminating the "first" rule why not the "worst" rule - from the "first or worst"

You both lose - I am sure I will be told what is wrong with that.

I see nothing wrong - you both left early and you should both be out.

Go ahead - unload on that idea.

Means no competitor moves on - if it is a final round there is no winner - now it really gets complicated to go back to semis or "divi" up points and money.

So what - you red lit - you lose

I am entitled to my humble opinion
I like your opinion Ronnie!! My Opinion... do away with all the "driver assist" electronics and lets go back to 1970's style racing where the best driver wins!! Lets race without all the electronic tools that can make anyone a good driver - we could start with removing reaction times from the time slip. Or... maybe it's time we just go to racing with remote cars and save us all a LOT of $$$. - Like someone else said, maybe I'm just getting to old for all this crap! Or if I'm not to old maybe I've just been doing it for to long. I really like Wally's original idea of drag racing... put two cars beside each other and the first one to the other end wins!
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:31 PM   #9
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Just a thought, but rather than delay the red lights just don't show them on handicap starts. After both cars have finished the run, display the proper win light. This would promote full run racing, might be less confusing for the fans and better entertainment. The announcer can always explain that win/loss based on reaction time.
I'm sure that was considered, Mike.
But, as soon as someone blows up an engine, causing an hour clean up, and then finds out he lost anyway, it'll change back to the earlier display, I would imagine.
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Old 02-06-2016, 02:41 PM   #10
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Just a thought, but rather than delay the red lights just don't show them on handicap starts. After both cars have finished the run, display the proper win light. This would promote full run racing, might be less confusing for the fans and better entertainment. The announcer can always explain that win/loss based on reaction time.
I think to eliminate fan confusion would be just to extend the tree divider down over the red lights so the fast driver can't see that the slow driver red lit. The true lights come on but no win lights can illuminate until both drivers have left the starting line. The only problem would be driver's with two way radios and spotters.

Other than that, this issue is not even debatable. In 6 years of being on classracer I haven't seen one logical argument as to why this shouldn't be fixed. It just took some big name racers to get it in motion. And for those that say both racers should lose when they red light, that is not how a competition works. Must be one winner and one loser. Both teams can't lose the football game tomorrow, or any other sport for that matter.
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