TruSTART looks to level the playing field. - Page 2

FireSale · 02-05-2016, 09:31 PM

So I understand that this is limited deployment, but drag racing is all about consistency so I'm going to ask this.

It looks like Peter B, and his friend talked to CompuLink about this idea and CompuLink developed the system. Logic says they will test it at the Spring Fling and then pitch it to NHRA for adoption at points events. So, how would this make it to the grass roots like Bremerton Raceway out here in Washington State that is run by a car club? Is it new equipment or a software update? Something that just shows up in the NHRA trailer for National events won't really help.

I guess I'm asking this of the business folks involved.

Dale

bill dedman · 02-07-2016, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenny5160

"If there is a logical argument against this method, I'd love to hear it... . this one is long overdue"

I asked the same question on this forum for years (literally, until my multitudinous posts about it became irritating to some people, who, for some reason, didn't "get it"; are you listening Ed Fernandez and Ed Wright?) Never EVER got a satisfactory answer. Just insults and character-assassination verbiage...

Ed Fernandez said, "It will never happen," and Ed Wright backed him up, with never any reason why this change to a more-fair way of dealing with double redlights needed not to happen.
Now, Ed Wright has done a complete 180 and says, " I honestly can't see how anyone could really say it's wrong," and Ed Fernandez has, miraculously, nothing to say. Well, this plan by two semi-pro Stock Eliminator racers is EXACTLY what I beat to death on this BB for years, and was never able to convince more than a few people of its worth. Maybe I'm just a lousy communicator..

It's not a part of Stock or Super Stock racing, YET, but, I think it may well filter down to those Eliminators if it's successful in the brackets.The fact is, it's not just about slow cars/fast cars.... In the final round of an Eliminator, you could have an "A" car running a "B" car, and they both go red. That's not a likely scenario, but it COULD happen. The winner would be the driver with the least infraction, just like in a double breakout.

That's fair.

I am just glad someone with some "pull" got it done. It was a long-time coming, and I am sure it took a lot of effort on the part of Kyle Seipel and Peter Biondo to get it this far. I applaud their efforts!

Larry Hill · 02-07-2016, 09:23 AM

The red light needs to happen in real time without delay. If I go red I want to know so I can do something positive on the run: 1. save my equipment for the next heads-up run where the worst red light looses, 2. manage averages for the AHFS, 3. test, and 4. practice driving the stripe.

If the other lane wants to see if I went red let them. Next time we race and I'm green they will be looking and more than likely be late and I will be in the next round.

Crosstalk is that electronic deep staging and how is that a .5 tree?

So the racers don't want to race by the rules, nothing new.

Ed Carpenter · 02-07-2016, 11:43 PM

This isn't being proposed for Nhra/ihra correct? So why all the debate?

bill dedman · 06-11-2016, 05:21 PM

I posted on this method, long before it was called TRUSTART several years ago, and asked that same question, repeatedly, usuallly, with nothing but ridicule from Ed Fernandez, who, although he ran a car in a "slow" class and would have benefitted from the change, was steadfastly against it.

Finally, one person suggested that that the first car to leave, enjoying the benefits of a "clean tree," would have that as an advantage and the first red light system as it still exists, would be an equalizing factor.

Other than that, NOBODY ever gave me any legitimate reason. why it should not be changed.

NOBODY,..

And I beat this drum for months... probably years. Long enough that even ~I~ got tired of it. So, I gave up...

It never had any kind of positive response from the people on this board (except for Jim Wahl and a couple more,) until Peter Biondo and Kyle Seipel recently suggested the very same thing.

I was gratified when they did.

As an aside, the whole concept that is TRUSTART came from a bracket racer in Fremont, California (definitely not ME,) named Bob Mikulic. He raced superchaged Studebakers... He explained it to me in detail (I didn't "get it",) back in the 1990's...

It finally sunk in...

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Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,646 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,745 Times in 2,235 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. The red light needs to happen in real time without delay. If I go red I want to know so I can do something positive on the run: 1. save my equipment for the next heads-up run where the worst red light looses, 2. manage averages for the AHFS, 3. test, and 4. practice driving the stripe. If the other lane wants to see if I went red let them. Next time we race and I'm green they will be looking and more than likely be late and I will be in the next round. Crosstalk is that electronic deep staging and how is that a .5 tree? So the racers don't want to race by the rules, nothing new. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

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Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. This isn't being proposed for Nhra/ihra correct? So why all the debate? __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

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bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. I posted on this method, long before it was called TRUSTART several years ago, and asked that same question, repeatedly, usuallly, with nothing but ridicule from Ed Fernandez, who, although he ran a car in a "slow" class and would have benefitted from the change, was steadfastly against it. Finally, one person suggested that that the first car to leave, enjoying the benefits of a "clean tree," would have that as an advantage and the first red light system as it still exists, would be an equalizing factor. Other than that, NOBODY ever gave me any legitimate reason. why it should not be changed. NOBODY,.. And I beat this drum for months... probably years. Long enough that even ~I~ got tired of it. So, I gave up... It never had any kind of positive response from the people on this board (except for Jim Wahl and a couple more,) until Peter Biondo and Kyle Seipel recently suggested the very same thing. I was gratified when they did. As an aside, the whole concept that is TRUSTART came from a bracket racer in Fremont, California (definitely not ME,) named Bob Mikulic. He raced superchaged Studebakers... He explained it to me in detail (I didn't "get it",) back in the 1990's... It finally sunk in... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 06-12-2016 at 01:04 AM.