What is the Most diverse class in stock eliminator?

[Ron Ortiz]

Here is a different question, how many combos have been refactored from U to a faster class, example. 96 Chevy Truck. Lots of cars, that will give you a different perspective of the diversity.

Bob, we're not talking bout heavy weights now.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA diversity is only other choices

[jmantle]

NHRA has done their best to make U/S a less diversified class with the big gift they gave the 302 Fords. For me it was easy, add 300 lbs of ballast and run in V. The Fords never used to be competitive but nobody at NHRA has been able to explain why they got such a big HP reduction.

Jim Mantle U/VS/A

[Mike Graham]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

With all the data available to NHRA it just makes me wonder how they don't see the error they made with the 302 Fords. All they need to do is look at the qualifying sheets, the records set and where the numbers were before their adjustment to know they made a mistake.

There is a lot of diversity in U without the help of miscalculated HP combinations, but if it weren't for NHRA's HP Committee, where would all the fun be.

Why look at numbers (60', 330', 660' etc.) from previous runs during the year to determine possible miscalculations when you can just turn an ear to the whiners and make your changes. And let us not forget the racers who cry that it is a performance based category while they lift to protect their precious combos.

The U class is the most diverse, period.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA what ever happened to SS/U

So If it's not a cadillac or chevy truck it is bogus?? They go 2 sec under and they are heros. A Ford goes 1 sec under and it's the end of life as we know it.
Yes the 302 is soft, but isn't that what stock is about? pick a good combination and flog it. In the 9 months that we have had this combination it has had 3 converters,2 revisions of one,three transmissions,two camshafts,two revisions of the heads,two shortblocks. Twenty carbs, Two AHFS hits. We test every week. Tested last night.. Testing today.
Still not as fast as the cadillac. But it's an evil Ford ... Burn it at the stake

[Billy Nees]

Don't take it personally Mike, we'll get Ron back on his meds.
but there is one big difference, the Caddy and the Truck were combos that weren't in the guide and were assigned a factor when they were put in. Kinda like the new COPOs, DPs and CJs. The 302s were an existing combo that were given back(in some cases) over 30 HP in one shot.
But I can't complain, I'm on the Welfare now too! My 307 got back 3 HP! All in one shot! I'm gonna be runnin' the BIG numbers like BJ!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Don't take it personally Mike, we'll get Ron back on his meds.
but there is one big difference, the Caddy and the Truck were combos that weren't in the guide and were assigned a factor when they were put in. Kinda like the new COPOs, DPs and CJs. The 302s were an existing combo that were given back(in some cases) over 30 HP in one shot.
But I can't complain, I'm on the Welfare now too! My 307 got back 3 HP! All in one shot! I'm gonna be runnin' the BIG numbers like BJ!

Ya know, I should probably make myself perfectly clear here. I personally believe that what NHRA did with the 302 FFFords, whether it was a mistake or not, was good for Stock Eliminator and the Sport. It brought a significant number of cars(and in some cases Racers) that wouldn't have been built into the game.
I have another thread on here somewhere bringing up Mr. Clifford and what, if anything, he is going to do with the Sportsmen. A few months ago, Dwight Southerland, Mark Yacavone and I sent a letter to the NHRA about De-factoring an awful lot of the 70s and 80s cars that were just arbitrarily given unrealistic factors at the time that they were put in the guide. Kinda like the 302 FFFords. As far as I know, we've not received any kind of a response to it. But if a half-a-dozen 302s were built, wouldn't it be safe to say that some kind of equal response could be expected from other combos?
Seeing as Dwight wrote the letter, I'll leave it up to him as to whether he wants to post it but if Mr. Clifford is looking for a way to involve more young people in the sport, I think that this could be the best "entry level" way to go.
I also realize that this probably doesn't belong in this thread but my finger is too tired to start a new thread now.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Graham

So If it's not a cadillac or chevy truck it is bogus?? They go 2 sec under and they are heros. A Ford goes 1 sec under and it's the end of life as we know it.
Yes the 302 is soft, but isn't that what stock is about? pick a good combination and flog it. In the 9 months that we have had this combination it has had 3 converters,2 revisions of one,three transmissions,two camshafts,two revisions of the heads,two shortblocks. Twenty carbs, Two AHFS hits. We test every week. Tested last night.. Testing today.
Still not as fast as the cadillac. But it's an evil Ford ... Burn it at the stake

Mikey, Just to be clear, I for one, never called them bogus ..They made how many millions?
I did say it was a gift, and one should never look a gift horse in the mouth..or in this case, a little cow.

[Ron Ortiz]

Whoa there Mr. Graham, to quote you. "So If it's not a cadillac or chevy truck it is bogus?? They go 2 sec under and they are heros."
I'm not just referring to the Caddy or Chevy P/U, I'm also talking about the Banana Olds from AL, the Buick "factory" car that McKay (rip) had, Senia's Cimmaron, Mercury Turbo. All of them could absolutely bomb the index.

Quote, "A Ford goes 1 sec under and it's the end of life as we know it."
As far as the Ford being a 1.0 under car, that's plain out right BS. I watched Gary Summers from behind let off so early and still run under 1.0 it was ridiculous.

If you read my post I stated it was miscalculated not bogus. But when a combo comes in from a faster class and immediately becomes #1 by a huge margin, that is an error. Is it soft, no, it is more like a pillow wrapped in Charmin.

Seeking out a good combo is fine with me, I did it many years ago myself. I commend you for working hard to get it faster. But I am not sympathetic to your defense. Must be nice to have so many options on carbs and trannys. I'll just try to avoid your Ford in the lanes at the races while having a frosty beverage with you.

I consider "bogus", the HP ratings when the new Cobra, COPO, and DP initially came out. NHRA did right by separating them.

Billy, whether it be meds, no meds, or hallucinogens, the picture is still clear.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA speaking of hallucinogens