NHRA regulates off track behavior.........

[cal]

Originally Posted by SSGT Mustang

It's not a right. It's a privilege. Just like a driver's license, which is also not a right, meaning it can be taken away from you at any time.

You know I have always had a problem with that wordage.

Driving is not a privilege, it is my right as a citizen of the USA to obtain a driver license.
Now if I miss use that right it can be taken away.

Just like walking down the street or going from state to state is not a privilege, It is my Right as a citizen of the USA.

Yes there are rules and laws to follow, and if I break them you can have these right also taken away. Put in jail, pay big fines ECT ECT ...

But these are our rights as citizen of this GREAT country.

OK I'm done running my mouth now, just had to get that off my chest

Cal
S/ST HR 1177

[Jim Craig]

perhaps NHRA ought to buy some ad time during the 4 hour time slot (of "Motor Mondays" on Discovery) touting the advantages and benefits of being a member of the NHRA, they'd sure as hell be getting more looks at their prospective audience then they get on any given Saturday night at 2 am or Sunday night at 10. Got to look at it from the marketing side....it's all about the benjamins' and those guys are garning the most of it right now....it'll fade (as far as TV), but I believe the smart (and quiet) money is on them -- it's the automotive aftermarket "golden" demographics and if you're in the business you've got to be there one way, shape, form or another.....just keep this in perspective.....the same network brings you the Amish Mafia and Moonshiners' and they brought Jesse James and the American Chopper guys to a whole 'nother level.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Jim Craig

perhaps NHRA ought to buy some ad time during the 4 hour time slot (of "Motor Mondays" on Discovery) touting the advantages and benefits of being a member of the NHRA, they'd sure as hell be getting more looks at their prospective audience then they get on any given Saturday night at 2 am or Sunday night at 10. Got to look at it from the marketing side....it's all about the benjamins' and those guys are garning the most of it right now.

x2. They chose the route they did, which has generated a firestorm, instead of turning it into a positive and using the existing show as a platform to promote legal drag racing. They could have created incentives to draw the participants and its fans to sanctioned dragstrips (which tracks have independently already been doing), and created fun and safe events at those tracks where people could legally participate in the loosely structured environment they crave.

I personally couldn't stand more than 15-20 minutes of the show the one time I stumbled across it, but their reach and fan base is undeniable. The sanctioning body had an opportunity to turn the messaging in their favor, but their choices ended up alienating a large swath of their potential audience instead.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by cal

You know I have always had a problem with that wordage.

Driving is not a privilege, it is my right as a citizen of the USA to obtain a driver license.
Now if I miss use that right it can be taken away.

Just like walking down the street or going from state to state is not a privilege, It is my Right as a citizen of the USA.

Yes there are rules and laws to follow, and if I break them you can have these right also taken away. Put in jail, pay big fines ECT ECT ...

But these are our rights as citizen of this GREAT country.

OK I'm done running my mouth now, just had to get that off my chest

Cal
S/ST HR 1177

But driving is not a right; it's a privilege. As a citizen, you have the right to apply for a driver's license under equal protection of the law, but is is not a right that you can get in your car and operate it on public roads. It is a privilege you earn once you have shown that you know the laws, you agree to abide by the laws and you prove that you can operate a vehicle in a manner that does not endanger others or compromise the rights of others. Then you are given the privelege to operate a vehicle on public highways where the safety and rights of others will be observed. If you do not continue to operate your vehicle within the laws and guidelines that govern it, then the public authority (the government) will revoke your privileges. They do not take away your right to drive. You would still have the right to drive your vehicle somewhere beside publicly governed property, but you do not have the privilege to drive on public roads. In that manner, it is not a right. It is not even a right to walk down the street if you are going to do so in a manner that infringes on the rights or safety of others.


In like manner, NHRA is not "taking away rights" from these people. They are exercising their right to protect their image, reputation and standards that are explicitly stated in their membership material. Those standards are what you agree with to become a member. It's like unions restricting members from working on jobs or for others who do not observe union standards; you can go do the work if you want, but you won't be a union member if you do. An NHRA membership is not a "right" to race at NHRA's events. It is an extension to you of a privilege to participate. If you choose to not adhere to their membership standards, then they have the right to revoke that privilege.

[Dan Fahey]

NHRA is upset because it is upstaging their own TV Nationals Program
The Funny Cars and AA Fueler and Pro Stockers are not getting top billing.

I seen a golden opportunity...!!

Another Pinks like Street Car Outlaw program.

There are a lot of shut down and active Tracks that could capitalize on this Street Racer fad..

It is huge but there is nobody upstairs with the Drag Racing Management and Marketing skill to capitalize on this.

Just like them ignoring COMP, Super Stock and Stock...

Street Outlaws maybe hanging five on legality.
I like the intrigue..
Yeah we know it is staged....grow it !!!

Dan

[cal]

You know I have always had a problem with that wordage.

Driving is not a privilege, it is my right as a citizen of the USA to obtain a driver license.
Now if I miss use that right it can be taken away.

Just like walking down the street or going from state to state is not a privilege, It is my Right as a citizen of the USA.

Yes there are rules and laws to follow, and if I break them you can have these right also taken away. Put in jail, pay big fines ECT ECT ...

But these are our rights as citizen of this GREAT country.

OK I'm done running my mouth now, just had to get that off my chest

Cal
S/ST HR 1177

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

But driving is not a right; it's a privilege. As a citizen, you have the right to apply for a driver's license under equal protection of the law, but is is not a right that you can get in your car and operate it on public roads. It is a privilege you earn once you have shown that you know the laws, you agree to abide by the laws and you prove that you can operate a vehicle in a manner that does not endanger others or compromise the rights of others. Then you are given the privelege to operate a vehicle on public highways where the safety and rights of others will be observed. If you do not continue to operate your vehicle within the laws and guidelines that govern it, then the public authority (the government) will revoke your privileges. They do not take away your right to drive. You would still have the right to drive your vehicle somewhere beside publicly governed property, but you do not have the privilege to drive on public roads. In that manner, it is not a right. It is not even a right to walk down the street if you are going to do so in a manner that infringes on the rights or safety of others.


In like manner, NHRA is not "taking away rights" from these people. They are exercising their right to protect their image, reputation and standards that are explicitly stated in their membership material. Those standards are what you agree with to become a member. It's like unions restricting members from working on jobs or for others who do not observe union standards; you can go do the work if you want, but you won't be a union member if you do. An NHRA membership is not a "right" to race at NHRA's events. It is an extension to you of a privilege to participate. If you choose to not adhere to their membership standards, then they have the right to revoke that privilege.

Dwight while I agree to disagree on our rights as citizens of the USA.
What we both have said is simular, just written differently.
I doubt I would ever have the money or disire to dispute this in a court of law.
But maybe someone should, before we lose any rights we may have left.

I am not say in my statement anywhere that I agree with or dis agree with the Street Outlaws. In the late 70 early 80s I attened my share of street races, it is what we did back then.

But I mostly bracket raced back then. My License was to important to me, I needed to make a living and driving was important.

I only stated my opinion on privledge vs Rights of citizen of this USA.
Do we have any left, or are they all gone?

I still beleive Driving is a Right, if you read my post I did state that if you miss used that right it could be taken away. Guess I left out the part about you need to pass a test to get your license, which I agre with.

It is only my opinion, and i am intitled to my opinion.
I think.

Just like it is the right of a illegile imagrint to get a license.

It is my privledge to get one, What has America come to?

O yea I do watch Street Outlaws, I find it entertaining but know it is all staged.
That particular type of racing never was my cup of tea.

I do watch the outlaw grudge racing at the track but have no interest in that type of racing. Just like I watch TF, FC & Pro Stock but would never want to run any of them classes.

Thanks again
Cal
S/ST HR 1177

[Jim Kaekel]

Originally Posted by Lyn Smith

In the segment that had the Ok. guys racing the Chicago guys, it sure looked like they were racing on the street just north of the RT 66 track.Why doesnt NHRA get involved and offer the street guys some nice, safe track to race on.In my opinion it would be alot more entertaining if 75% of the races were not decided by someone going up in smoke,jumping the flashlight,(when is he going to get run over?),or getting real loose down track!!!Let the fastest car really win.

Lyn: It was filmed right next to the track on Schweitzer Rd. I recognized it and saw a Gate sign for the track in the background. Kind of makes the show look like a joke when you see that.

[Bimbo Jones]

It's about money, CYA, and perception. Perception is more important than fact in this media driven world and money makes things happen. These guys are getting too much action of the pie. When an major sponsor pulls out of your program in favor of product placement on a different program. It would get my attention also. Why would any business play X amount of dollars to be an major sponsor the exposure it receives on TV and payout of contingencies when the same said company could provide the fraction cash layout and some clever product placement on another TV venue and get four times the amount of eye balls seeing their product. Which most of these eye balls will never compete in an National or Divisional event. The CYA part is obvious why they have to condemn it.

[Run to Rund]

Perhaps what really upset NHRA was that the car had the NHRA number, etc. displayed on it.

[bob3240]

Is Don Prudhomme out? He was in a street race on the "Americarna" show with Ray Evernham as passenger. P.S. who else thinks reality shows are real?