With 200 in both stock and super stock what will the bump be

[MR DERBY CITY]

Attention Bill Koski.....Say it ain't,t so..Lol.....Evidently , at a young age no one ever told you to.....Don,t kiss and tell....and ...at your advanced age.....What happens at Indy....Stays at Indy...LOL. !!!!! M.J.

[Kevin McKenna]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Kevin, It wouldn't be HIS spot, the way Indy was run for what, 55 years?
The FWD classes were created by NHRA too, you realize.
Flat towing not acceptable @ INDY?
I'm not likin' the tone here, buddy...

No malice intended. Personally have nothing against FWD cars (or tow bars for that matter). Merely pointing out something that Bob Frey used to say, "one man's ceiling is another man's floor"

I do, however, remember the year my father-in-law's car "qualified" about 125th but didn't get to race after the bump-ins (mostly single car class winners) were added. Needless to say he was quite frustrated.

I don't get a vote but if I did, my preference would be that the quickest 128 cars qualify.

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Kevin McKenna

No malice intended. Personally have nothing against FWD cars (or tow bars for that matter). Merely pointing out something that Bob Frey used to say, "one man's ceiling is another man's floor"

I do, however, remember the year my father-in-law's car "qualified" about 125th but didn't get to race after the bump-ins (mostly single car class winners) were added. Needless to say he was quite frustrated.

I don't get a vote but if I did, my preference would be that the quickest 128 cars qualify.

Class winners don't "bump-in". They WERE in. NHRA even worded it that way in the payout section for Nat'l events: "128 car field max (Class winners + low ET qualifiers)". Class winners are IN; the field was filled with the quickest cars (against Index) that did not win Class.

Your father-in-law didn't get ''bumped'' by a Class Winner. He got bumped by a quicker, non-Class winning car.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Kevin McKenna

No malice intended. Personally have nothing against FWD cars (or tow bars for that matter). Merely pointing out something that Bob Frey used to say, "one man's ceiling is another man's floor"

I do, however, remember the year my father-in-law's car "qualified" about 125th but didn't get to race after the bump-ins (mostly single car class winners) were added. Needless to say he was quite frustrated.

I don't get a vote but if I did, my preference would be that the quickest 128 cars qualify.

Kevin ,This could be debated for a week here. Just like politics, you won't change anyone's mind either.

Little background here:

First thing happened, Class win cash and goodies declined significantly since the 70's.

2, A new generation of racers , raised on bracket racing, decided the Eliminator was where the money was at. They figured out it was easier to win with the faster car.
2A, Another sub- group decided that, if they were going to spend all that money for travel and entries, they might as well have a 10 second car and do big wheelies, and try to emulate the consistent winners' come from behind strategy.

3 , Now the low 11 and10 second cars held a majority, but a bunch of them couldn't get in the eliminator at Indy.
They asked for a rule change that tossed out a 50 + year tradition ...and they got it.

So,
Does NHRA ever have a long range vision on this stuff , or do they just sit by and watch it happen and just wing it, after the fact?
Maybe you could tell us. Glad to have you here.

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by Kevin McKenna

Old Days = .75 under, LOSE class, no Wally and then watch some guy with a FWD car that flat-towed it to the track and can barely run the index take your spot because he got a single for the class win.

What's a better system? I suppose that is for each individual to decide. I'm sure some like it and some don't. Personally, I'm looking forward to the battles to see who the quickest 128 are.

I've also got great admiration for anyone who is going to Indy and knows they have very little chance of qualifying. THAT is why Indy still matters.

The way I see it, is that if you ran 1.10 under and lost in class you still had a shot at the eliminator......

.75 under still would have made the eliminator in some years.....

You had 2 shots at making the field for the eliminator and it didn't work out for you..

In 2004, the last year that we raced at INDY the bump in Stock was .986 under. F/S had a couple of cars in class and the slower car won class, should he have been not allowed to race????????

As usual NHRA does what they believe is best for NHRA and not what's best for the racers.

This is the reason for .75 under and no place to race.....

Bob

PS:
This is one race a year.
They could have kept it special.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by denbreeden

You may be right Ed, I should probably go ahead and withdraw.

Dennis Breeden

Yeah, right!! LOL!

[denbreeden]

I wondered when you were going to respond Ed, lol.