Old vs New during rounds

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

How many old cars have been out run in a heads up run for a money winning round by a new car, in lets say the last 5 years?? Stock or super stock.

It would take someone with far more time and patience than I have to go back five years and look. But, I would bet every last dollar to my name, that new (2008-newer) cars have won 95% (yes, ninety-five percent, or more) of the heads-up runs in eliminations at National and Divisional events since 2009. And even the few runs they lost (be it Class or Eliminator) were probably due to redlight/breakage/spin/.200+ light. Seldom do they ever actually get outrun.

[DonatoEng]

In all of these posts of new vs old performance, I have not seen one person mention AERODYMAMICS of the new vs old cars.
If new vs old engines and HP were all that mattered, then why are almost all of the SS/GT cars new body vehicles with mostly old engines ?????

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by DonatoEng

In all of these posts of new vs old performance, I have not seen one person mention AERODYMAMICS of the new vs old cars

I haven't heard TRACTION CONTROL mentioned either,to run dead on your dial.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

I haven't heard TRACTION CONTROL mentioned either,to run dead on your dial.

Traction control does not make a car run dead-on. It is really only useful in heads-up categories as a stopgap measure to minimize E.T. losses due to spinning. All traction control does is take power away, not promote consistency. Traction control would have to be coupled with a much more complicated system of track position sensors, run database calculations and brake control beyond the application of traction control, among other things, that are not components of EFI controllers. There are years and years of discussion threads all throughout the internet dedicated to the Matty Box.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Traction control does not make a car run dead-on. It is really only useful in heads-up categories as a stopgap measure to minimize E.T. losses due to spinning. All traction control does is take power away, not promote consistency. Traction control would have to be coupled with a much more complicated system of track position sensors, run database calculations and brake control beyond the application of traction control, among other things, that are not components of EFI controllers. There are years and years of discussion threads all throughout the internet dedicated to the Matty Box.

Oh,really.

Okay.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by DonatoEng

In all of these posts of new vs old performance, I have not seen one person mention AERODYMAMICS of the new vs old cars.
If new vs old engines and HP were all that mattered, then why are almost all of the SS/GT cars new body vehicles with mostly old engines ?????

Good comment, and to expand on that I'd still like to see NHRA/IHRA change the way the finish line is tripped so that ground effects of cars can no longer finish a run instead of the front tires of the car. Cars are staged by their front tires, and you can surely see how ground effects extend the nose of these newer cars far beyond the line that their front tire needs to get to to stage. However, it's the ground effects that can trip the beams at a finish line on newer cars (as opposed to the front tires only of an older car). Just like photo radar uses a sensor in the pavement on city streets to trip a camera (if someone crosses the line after the light changes), so should it be used to finish a race....thus one less advantage the newer cars have at the finish line.

I also feel NHRA can make the hp factor debate issue between older cars and newer ones an easy fix by bringing back the FI classes, thus reducing that advantage as well over older cars. My .02 worth