Did I really see this?

Patrick Kelliher · 08-27-2007, 03:49 PM

I fail to see what all the concern is about. American cars, especially oddball combinations have benefited from a low factory horsepower rating (the factoring starting point.) It's been proven that these imports have been overstating their power for years to sell more cars. As long as NHRA doesn't allow any bogus rulings for these cars they will probably be a non-issue. As far as the notion that they will dominate the FWD classes, with a stock class minimum weight requirement, much of the ricer tech would not be applicable to stock.

Jeff Lee · 08-27-2007, 07:22 PM

I know a guy with an Accura RSX. He spins it to 9600 RPM all day long. Of course it has the infamous Honda rod journals...

I think if I had an engine that could spin to 10K I would figure out how to make it competitive in Stock!
I'm still wanting somebody to build a Cosworth Vega. Come on, anybody want to show a ricer how to do it with good old anglo-inginuity ?

Chris1529 · 08-28-2007, 03:07 PM

What does NOPI stand for anyway?

Jim Wahl · 08-28-2007, 04:00 PM

NOPI means "Number One Parts Inc."

http://www.nopi.com/2006/nopimotorsports.htm

bill dedman · 08-28-2007, 05:16 PM

I don't know if this is significant in any way RE Stock Eliminator, but I have been amazed at how quick some of the Oriental cars (many, built in the US) are.

I was 26 years old and a local strip (Des Moines, IA) Stocker tech man when th '64 GTO's hit the strips. I vividly remember that most of the Tri-Power 4-speed versions that were running on (skinny) OEM tires, and with buttoned up exhaust, and were showroom stock, struggled to run much quicker than 15-flat. Add slicks, headers, and a 4.56 gear along with a limited slip, and yes, you had a 13-second car, but most of the ones I saw running, ran 14.80's... through the mufflers, on street tires.

Car and Driver has recently road tested two cars that beat that number by half a second in showroom trim, and they're both FWD cars and both automatics.

The 2007 Toyota Avalon ran 14.40 at 99 mph, while the marginally-lighter '07 Toyota Camry with the same engine, ran 14.30 at the same 99 mph.

These are soccer-mom, grocery getters with NO "performance" pretentions. They share a normally-aspirated 3.5-liter (213.5 cid) 60-degree V6. At 268 HP, they make a little over 1.25 hp per cubic inch in showroom condition. If a Viper made that much power per cube, it would have 626 horsepower...

They're both about a half-second quicker than a showroom '64, 4-speed, Tri-Power GTO, if my so-called "memory" serves me correctly.

Dunno if either or both will ever make it into the classification guide (They're both assembled in the USA), but it seemed to me to be food for thought... Pretty quick for soccer-mom transportation, methinks....

Chris Hill · 08-28-2007, 10:03 PM

A 122 in3 engine factored at 197 hp. That's 5hp more than our little v-6. At that rating, it will be a challenge to run under the index. It's a 14 lb/hp class.

Jim Wahl · 08-29-2007, 12:34 AM

In AF/S it would have to weigh 2731. In BF/S it would have to weigh 3420. Civics shipping weight is 2804. .472 lift cam, 11.0 comp ratio, 60MM TB. I'm not worried!

08-27-2007, 03:49 PM	#1
Patrick Kelliher Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 124 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Did I really see this? I fail to see what all the concern is about. American cars, especially oddball combinations have benefited from a low factory horsepower rating (the factoring starting point.) It's been proven that these imports have been overstating their power for years to sell more cars. As long as NHRA doesn't allow any bogus rulings for these cars they will probably be a non-issue. As far as the notion that they will dominate the FWD classes, with a stock class minimum weight requirement, much of the ricer tech would not be applicable to stock.

08-27-2007, 07:22 PM	#2
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Did I really see this? I know a guy with an Accura RSX. He spins it to 9600 RPM all day long. Of course it has the infamous Honda rod journals... I think if I had an engine that could spin to 10K I would figure out how to make it competitive in Stock! I'm still wanting somebody to build a Cosworth Vega. Come on, anybody want to show a ricer how to do it with good old anglo-inginuity ? __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

08-28-2007, 03:07 PM	#3
Chris1529 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,366 Likes: 6 Liked 70 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Did I really see this? What does NOPI stand for anyway? __________________ Chris Bowman The Mountain State Mustang 1984 Mustang GT350

08-28-2007, 04:00 PM	#4
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Did I really see this? NOPI means "Number One Parts Inc." http://www.nopi.com/2006/nopimotorsports.htm __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

08-28-2007, 05:16 PM	#5
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Did I really see this? I don't know if this is significant in any way RE Stock Eliminator, but I have been amazed at how quick some of the Oriental cars (many, built in the US) are. I was 26 years old and a local strip (Des Moines, IA) Stocker tech man when th '64 GTO's hit the strips. I vividly remember that most of the Tri-Power 4-speed versions that were running on (skinny) OEM tires, and with buttoned up exhaust, and were showroom stock, struggled to run much quicker than 15-flat. Add slicks, headers, and a 4.56 gear along with a limited slip, and yes, you had a 13-second car, but most of the ones I saw running, ran 14.80's... through the mufflers, on street tires. Car and Driver has recently road tested two cars that beat that number by half a second in showroom trim, and they're both FWD cars and both automatics. The 2007 Toyota Avalon ran 14.40 at 99 mph, while the marginally-lighter '07 Toyota Camry with the same engine, ran 14.30 at the same 99 mph. These are soccer-mom, grocery getters with NO "performance" pretentions. They share a normally-aspirated 3.5-liter (213.5 cid) 60-degree V6. At 268 HP, they make a little over 1.25 hp per cubic inch in showroom condition. If a Viper made that much power per cube, it would have 626 horsepower... They're both about a half-second quicker than a showroom '64, 4-speed, Tri-Power GTO, if my so-called "memory" serves me correctly. Dunno if either or both will ever make it into the classification guide (They're both assembled in the USA), but it seemed to me to be food for thought... Pretty quick for soccer-mom transportation, methinks.... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 08-28-2007 at 05:29 PM.

08-28-2007, 10:03 PM	#6
Chris Hill Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 655 Likes: 8 Liked 244 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Did I really see this? A 122 in3 engine factored at 197 hp. That's 5hp more than our little v-6. At that rating, it will be a challenge to run under the index. It's a 14 lb/hp class.

08-29-2007, 12:34 AM	#7
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Did I really see this? In AF/S it would have to weigh 2731. In BF/S it would have to weigh 3420. Civics shipping weight is 2804. .472 lift cam, 11.0 comp ratio, 60MM TB. I'm not worried! __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association. Last edited by Jim Wahl; 08-29-2007 at 12:40 AM.