Wheelie Bars are not needed for Safety on Stockers!

[Todd Geisler]

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[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Crisco

Hey Alan, back off on Nathan. He never said anything that wasn't true. But I will tell he ain't no dummy when it comes to racing. Just because you don't agree with what he says doesn't mean he is wrong. And no, I don't have a damn stocker either...but I've stayed in a Holiday Inn. Does that qaulify me to come in here and offer suggestions? Geez...

Chris, this about the 4th or 5th time Nathan has decided to shoot his mouth off at me, and I'm done listening to it, and I'm done with him. If he wants to be a smart ***, he can deal with the responses. I seriously doubt I'm the only one tired of his crap, or crap from his buddy "Ed" or "1320", either. Back off? Uh, no.

Yeah, class racers do complain about problems with class racing, considering we are actually participants, it would seem we're in a position to do so. But we don't have a habit of going to the bracket or 0.90 sections and trying to be smart asses about their side of the sport, I don't do it at all. I've bracket raced, and I've run in Super Gas and Super Comp. It's not my thing. They're using the same piece of asphalt, but they're doing their own thing. That's fine by me. I've got friends and customers who do it, and I'm happy for them, they're doing what they like. I'm not going to go on their forums and bad mouth them or what they do. By the same token, I'm not going to listen to any crap they want to dump on the class forums.

[Bob Hochrun]

Wheelie Bars. Is it used for safety reasons? Go on google and type in. "What are wheelie bars used for in a drag racing? Pretty obvious!

[Ken Miele]

Charles,

An opinion is one thing, but Nathan chose to insult class racers instead. Alan would have never posted a response as he did to Nathan if he was respectful. Calling us snobs does not help the conversation. Nathan chose to criticize class racers with his first post, he set the tone for the responses that followed.

As with your post, your assumption that class racing is on a down turn is dead wrong. This site alone proves the exact opposite. So your opinion is noted and I disagree, we are not being insulting and that’s how it should be. On the other hand when a member jumps into a topic and has to insult members with his first post, he will be held accountable.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Ken Miele

Charles,

An opinion is one thing, but Nathan chose to insult class racers instead. Alan would have never posted a response as he did to Nathan if he was respectful. Calling us snobs does not help the conversation. Nathan chose to criticize class racers with his first post, he set the tone for the responses that followed.

As with your post, your assumption that class racing is on a down turn is dead wrong. This site alone proves the exact opposite. So your opinion is noted and I disagree, we are not being insulting and that’s how it should be. On the other hand when a member jumps into a topic and has to insult members with his first post, he will be held accountable.

Ken go back and look at my first post in this thread again. Never said anything insulting in that post. Only after I was insulted did I fire back. Respect is kind of a two way street. If you tell me I am a idiot because I don't do what you do the way you do it is that being respectful?

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Charles Rainey

I always thought racing was racing, no matter the class, but as I read this thread, I find that as I no longer am able to race (doctor said quit), that I may need to reevaluate. I come to this site to learn any info that I can gleam from people that should be in the know better than. But I also come to see how our sport is progressing or moving. After reading this thread, it may be time for a new evaluation. Many people people are posting, some that race, some like me that have to only go look, and those that help. Some of the info is good, some is so so., but all is conversation about OUR sport. Would like to make a observation as Mr Stimpson did, but got personally criticized. In case most of you have not recognized, class racing is on the down turn, both in numbers participating and in those people attending races to watch. So I feel we should be particular in how we criticize anyone for making a observation or contributing any input. Lets not let this be a part of the reason for the down turn. Also the other side should be a little more tactful with your inputs as your racing may turn down also. When you are at a track, that is a family, like it or not. It is really a family reunion of people that participate in a sport of gear heads. I do not want to ever have to go to yellow bullet because this forum stinks as some of this thread does.
charles

Good post. Oh and yellow bullet is a good place if you stay out of trash or be trashed section. Lot of smart guys over there willing to help. You can learn from some of the sports best over there just have to get in the tech sections.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

I thought that's what this board was? Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something. Matter of fact a lot of the things 1320 mentioned, you guys have been known to bitch about. Oh the irony.

Obviously, no one pays you to think. Or if they do, they certainly are not getting their money's worth.

It appears that a lot of people who do not race Stock and Super Stock believe people who do race Stock and Super Stock desperately need their input.

Odd, when people who can't, or won't, do what you're doing (or both can't and won't) seem to want to tell you how to do it better, they never quite get it right. Go figure.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Obviously, no one pays you to think. Or if they do, they certainly are not getting their money's worth.

It appears that a lot of people who do not race Stock and Super Stock believe people who do race Stock and Super Stock desperately need their input.

Odd, when people who can't, or won't, do what you're doing (or both can't and won't) seem to want to tell you how to do it better, they never quite get it right. Go figure.

I never gave any input just made a observation. Like I have told you before Alan I have been around and know a lot of you guys. Funny how you assume people can't do something. I choose to do something else but I don't look down my nose like some of you elitist snobs that call yourself class racers. What car do you own Alan? Last I seen you were running Kevin's grill and your mouth. Kinda like you do on here.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

I never gave any input just made a observation. Like I have told you before Alan I have been around and know a lot of you guys. Funny how you assume people can't do something. I choose to do something else but I don't look down my nose like some of you elitist snobs that call yourself class racers. What car do you own Alan? Last I seen you were running Kevin's grill and your mouth. Kinda like you do on here.

I don't own a car right now, that will change soon enough. I work on a few for other people.

I don't look down my nose at anyone. I do, however, get annoyed with people like you who have a habit of making a bunch of ill informed and ignorant comments such as the post I quoted.

FYI, I build most everything on that car, the engine, transmission, and rear end. I don't own it, that's true. Ask Kevin about it some time, since you seem to know so much.

[Nathan Stinson]

Thanks for the FYI but I knew what you did on Kevin's car. I have seen you bragging about it on here before. So what part of my post was wrong? You don't own a car, you assumed I can't dosomething, since i dont do what you do i am not good enough to respond, and when I seen you at BG a few weeks ago you were running the grill and talking. Lol