Pro stock NHRA unwanted child at the U.S Nationals

C and W Racing · 08-15-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Bernay

Sorry, I disagree.

Do you work on your car? Do you even have a car? Or are you a hired shoe that knows nothing about what it takes to make a car competitive?
Chuck

Dan Bernay · 08-15-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by C and W Racing

Do you work on your car? Do you even have a car? Or are you a hired shoe that knows nothing about what it takes to make a car competitive?
Chuck

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest, I just stated my opinion.
If you can't respect that it's your problem.

C and W Racing · 08-15-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Bernay

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest, I just stated my opinion.
If you can't respect that it's your problem.

I respect that, I was just jerking your chain. All in fun. Not everyone likes the same types of cars that race. That being said, it is very impressive that a group of racers can take all kinds of differant combo's and have performance levels as close as they are to each.
Chuck

Ken Miele · 08-15-2012, 01:21 PM

Guys,

There is a reason why Dan has no interest in Pro Stock, and he is not alone. The class is antiquated and needs to reflect current production cars. The Pro Stocks are not even close to what a production car looks like. Do you guys realize that the rules for the engine have not changed since 1982.

The reason that the Nitro cars have most of the TV time is because when Pro Stock comes on the ratings drop significantly.

Don't get me wrong, for what these guys have to work with they do an amazing job, along with being very competitive. There are really only 2 engines that compete with each other, The Ford is just a Chrysler clone. I would love to see unaltered factory bodies with today's factory engines. I think the fan appeal would go way up if they were using the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger with the engines they come with. If us s/ss guys can get these cars running as fast as we do, can you imagine how fast they would go with the kind of r&d and money that they spend now. I would also bet that the factories would get heavily involved also.

I'm with Dan, I have lost interest.

Dave Turner · 08-15-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Miele

Guys,

There is a reason why Dan has no interest in Pro Stock, and he is not alone. The class is antiquated and needs to reflect current production cars. The Pro Stocks are not even close to what a production car looks like. Do you guys realize that the rules for the engine have not changed since 1982.

The reason that the Nitro cars have most of the TV time is because when Pro Stock comes on the ratings drop significantly.

Don't get me wrong, for what these guys have to work with they do an amazing job, along with being very competitive. There are really only 2 engines that compete with each other, The Ford is just a Chrysler clone. I would love to see unaltered factory bodies with today's factory engines. I think the fan appeal would go way up if they were using the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger with the engines they come with. If us s/ss guys can get these cars running as fast as we do, can you imagine how fast they would go with the kind of r&d and money that they spend now. I would also bet that the factories would get heavily involved also.

I'm with Dan, I have lost interest.

X's 3....a LONG time ago.

D.Johns · 08-15-2012, 02:22 PM

Boy drag racers are a fickle group lol.

One group wants change and another hates it. It's just a personality thing.

cutta · 08-15-2012, 02:46 PM

Although many want to see Pro Stock take a step back to get closer to OEM, it would be a costly transition. All of the current development would have to be shelved and parity would take a back seat for a year or so. All of the bodies are different, new chassis would have to be developed, and more money would have to be poured into engine development, not to mention the headache of creating fair engine rules for all of the current engine formats. With the parity that has been achieved today, how could you sell the current teams on making this costly transition? Also, would it be worth the change and would it bring enough new fans to the sport to validate the change? I for one do not know if it would be worth it or if this risk would pay off. We have the OEM Copos, DragPaks, and CJ's out now and I don't know if that even that has helped increase the fan base.

In all honesty, it would be better just to create another class and call it OEM Pro Stock and go from there.

Jim Kaekel · 08-15-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Miele

Guys,

I think the fan appeal would go way up if they were using the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger with the engines they come with. If us s/ss guys can get these cars running as fast as we do, can you imagine how fast they would go with the kind of r&d and money that they spend now. I would also bet that the factories would get heavily involved also.

Ken, you make very good points and I agree 100%. I think fan interest would go way up.

Dan Fahey · 08-15-2012, 05:49 PM

Pro Stock may need a marketing change.

Think it would help bring more in Fans to a ProAm or Sportsnam Level Race.

My frustration with the Bodies is that they went NASCAR.

Despite that I think a bigger draw would be Seperating Professional and Sportsman.
Moving Pro Stock to Sportsman.

Get back to advertising PRO STOCK has the Headliner !!

my 2cents
d

Frank Castros · 08-15-2012, 06:36 PM

Pro Stock is a bore and I completely agree with Ken. Rekindle the original spirit of the class, as it was in the 1970s, a true competition of Detroit muscle.

08-15-2012, 01:21 PM	#4
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,860 Likes: 456 Liked 16,540 Times in 1,521 Posts	Re: Pro stock NHRA unwanted child at the U.S Nationals Guys, There is a reason why Dan has no interest in Pro Stock, and he is not alone. The class is antiquated and needs to reflect current production cars. The Pro Stocks are not even close to what a production car looks like. Do you guys realize that the rules for the engine have not changed since 1982. The reason that the Nitro cars have most of the TV time is because when Pro Stock comes on the ratings drop significantly. Don't get me wrong, for what these guys have to work with they do an amazing job, along with being very competitive. There are really only 2 engines that compete with each other, The Ford is just a Chrysler clone. I would love to see unaltered factory bodies with today's factory engines. I think the fan appeal would go way up if they were using the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger with the engines they come with. If us s/ss guys can get these cars running as fast as we do, can you imagine how fast they would go with the kind of r&d and money that they spend now. I would also bet that the factories would get heavily involved also. I'm with Dan, I have lost interest.

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D.Johns Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 437 Likes: 15 Liked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Pro stock NHRA unwanted child at the U.S Nationals Boy drag racers are a fickle group lol. One group wants change and another hates it. It's just a personality thing. __________________ 2014 Cobra Jet FS/XX #3345 STK/SS Like us on http://www.facebook.com/pages/Daniel...25886327426822

08-15-2012, 02:46 PM	#7
cutta Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 347 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Pro stock NHRA unwanted child at the U.S Nationals Although many want to see Pro Stock take a step back to get closer to OEM, it would be a costly transition. All of the current development would have to be shelved and parity would take a back seat for a year or so. All of the bodies are different, new chassis would have to be developed, and more money would have to be poured into engine development, not to mention the headache of creating fair engine rules for all of the current engine formats. With the parity that has been achieved today, how could you sell the current teams on making this costly transition? Also, would it be worth the change and would it bring enough new fans to the sport to validate the change? I for one do not know if it would be worth it or if this risk would pay off. We have the OEM Copos, DragPaks, and CJ's out now and I don't know if that even that has helped increase the fan base. In all honesty, it would be better just to create another class and call it OEM Pro Stock and go from there. __________________ Adriel Paradise, Paradise Racing Team Driver/Crew Chief(at least my dad claims me to be) B.S. Mechanical Engineering, University of Arkansas

08-15-2012, 05:49 PM	#9
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,128 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Pro stock NHRA unwanted child at the U.S Nationals Pro Stock may need a marketing change. Think it would help bring more in Fans to a ProAm or Sportsnam Level Race. My frustration with the Bodies is that they went NASCAR. Despite that I think a bigger draw would be Seperating Professional and Sportsman. Moving Pro Stock to Sportsman. Get back to advertising PRO STOCK has the Headliner !! my 2cents d

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Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,959 Likes: 2,550 Liked 2,626 Times in 950 Posts	Re: Pro stock NHRA unwanted child at the U.S Nationals Pro Stock is a bore and I completely agree with Ken. Rekindle the original spirit of the class, as it was in the 1970s, a true competition of Detroit muscle.