Where are the pre 1960 stockers? - Page 3

Steve Hurley · 12-21-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS

For what it is worth,I would love to see this combo be built to run index and beat a bunch of Drag Packs and Cobra Jets.I had a pretty good year against those cars myself.

It sounds like it is possible to get it to run the index,just not cheaply.

A lot of things have changed since 1971.Lightweight wheels and radials for one.

Does this car have them?

To answer your question, yes the car does have some lightweight parts, HoleShot wheels, radials, trick powerglide and so on.

Raced the car in ihra as 195/200 worked good -.60 under good air
p/sa .404-.413 camshaft. 13.75 index

Also tried ihra 180/200 very good air 13.45 et 13.75 index p/sa .334-.334 camshaft.

Tried 180/200 high 90,s temp q/sa 13.93 et 14.10 index.

I should be able to install my spare super stock engine and run about .75 under in ss/pa If that answers your question about the car.

Carl Libucha · 12-22-2011, 11:48 AM

I am in the process of building a 1955 Bel-Air 2 dr hdtp for Stock Eliminator. I raced the car from 1980 to 1992 in SS/PA, then retired it in 1992 after winning Super Stock at both the IHRA Nitrous Nats and the North American Nats at New England Dragway in Epping NH in1992. The car sat outside covered up for 19 years and at the end of 2010 I decided to go racing again in Super Stock. Then I heard NHRA was allowing the 1950's cars back again in Stock, so I'm going for the challenge. The car will run in P & Q/SA at the present 205 hp.The car is back to stock configuration, body work and paint complete. The engine isn't complete yet, but with all the information known right now, on paper the car will not run the index. When the engine is dynoed, that will tell the real story. The factory 180hp peaked out at 4600 rpm's. Hopefully, with all the latest technology in cams, hyd lifters & springs, the rpm's will be much higher. What NHRA has to do, is lower the hp so every 1955 body style will drop down at least one class. This way, the cars should be able to just run the index or a little under. For an example, AT 205 hp, my car has to weigh 3655 lb min weight with driver for Q/SA (13.80 index). If the hp was lowered to 188 hp, my car would be right at the top of R/SA at 3548.4 lb min weight with driver (14.05 index). I hope NHRA will lower the hp down to 180 hp, otherwise, not too many racer's are going to build these cars. I'm a 1955 Chevy nut, I've always raced a 55 chev. From 1968 to 1971, I raced a 1955 Chev Conv in R/S, then from 1972 to 1979, I ran a 1955 4 dr 210 wagon in SS/U, then the Hdtp in SS/PA from 1980 to 1992.
NHRA, DO YOUR THING, I'M COUNTING ON YOU.

Lew Silverman · 12-21-2011, 10:07 PM

So again I'll ask -

Why did the NHRA reinstate the the pre-1960 cars?

The engine specification charts list engines for vehicles not listed in the Classification Guide! Why was the Classification Guide NOT updated to include combinations listed in the engine spec charts? Why were the pre-1960 cars included in Stock Eliminator if they can't be competitive? We're talking 50-year old technology here, aren't we? Can't use an early crank with a late model/Dart block - no bearing spacers allowed, right?

Can someone explain this?

Lew

Tony Janes · 12-21-2011, 10:14 PM

Sleeve the Dart block use a 302 crank. Cost about 3000.00

dahkahuna · 12-21-2011, 10:14 PM

Sorry Darrel 442 I apologise I miss read your post, I met you at Indy 1992 we pitted side by side, Doug Holder.

12-22-2011, 11:48 AM	#2
Carl Libucha Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? I am in the process of building a 1955 Bel-Air 2 dr hdtp for Stock Eliminator. I raced the car from 1980 to 1992 in SS/PA, then retired it in 1992 after winning Super Stock at both the IHRA Nitrous Nats and the North American Nats at New England Dragway in Epping NH in1992. The car sat outside covered up for 19 years and at the end of 2010 I decided to go racing again in Super Stock. Then I heard NHRA was allowing the 1950's cars back again in Stock, so I'm going for the challenge. The car will run in P & Q/SA at the present 205 hp.The car is back to stock configuration, body work and paint complete. The engine isn't complete yet, but with all the information known right now, on paper the car will not run the index. When the engine is dynoed, that will tell the real story. The factory 180hp peaked out at 4600 rpm's. Hopefully, with all the latest technology in cams, hyd lifters & springs, the rpm's will be much higher. What NHRA has to do, is lower the hp so every 1955 body style will drop down at least one class. This way, the cars should be able to just run the index or a little under. For an example, AT 205 hp, my car has to weigh 3655 lb min weight with driver for Q/SA (13.80 index). If the hp was lowered to 188 hp, my car would be right at the top of R/SA at 3548.4 lb min weight with driver (14.05 index). I hope NHRA will lower the hp down to 180 hp, otherwise, not too many racer's are going to build these cars. I'm a 1955 Chevy nut, I've always raced a 55 chev. From 1968 to 1971, I raced a 1955 Chev Conv in R/S, then from 1972 to 1979, I ran a 1955 4 dr 210 wagon in SS/U, then the Hdtp in SS/PA from 1980 to 1992. NHRA, DO YOUR THING, I'M COUNTING ON YOU.

12-21-2011, 10:07 PM	#3
Lew Silverman VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,435 Likes: 371 Liked 129 Times in 59 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? So again I'll ask - Why did the NHRA reinstate the the pre-1960 cars? The engine specification charts list engines for vehicles not listed in the Classification Guide! Why was the Classification Guide NOT updated to include combinations listed in the engine spec charts? Why were the pre-1960 cars included in Stock Eliminator if they can't be competitive? We're talking 50-year old technology here, aren't we? Can't use an early crank with a late model/Dart block - no bearing spacers allowed, right? Can someone explain this? Lew __________________ Lew Silverman #2070 "The Wagon Master" N/SA

12-21-2011, 10:14 PM	#4
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 97 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Sleeve the Dart block use a 302 crank. Cost about 3000.00 __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-21-2011, 10:14 PM	#5
dahkahuna Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: san dimas , calif Posts: 128 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Sorry Darrel 442 I apologise I miss read your post, I met you at Indy 1992 we pitted side by side, Doug Holder.