How would you fix the ahfs

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

So you are saying that with an amendment to the AHFS rules and given the chance to correct proven under-rated horsepowers, they would not do so?

Travis they can do whatever they want when they want to.
The ahfs was in effect and it was only "supposed" to count national events. Not points meets or records. I got enhanced 8.25% (at one time) And nobody with my combo ever even tripped the trigger for their ahfs. I just hurt the ego's of some of their fair haired boys.
A lot of people are saying "they can't". Well in my case they could and did.
They won't because they don't want to anger the factories not because they can't.

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

So you are saying that with an amendment to the AHFS rules and given the chance to correct proven under-rated horsepowers, they would not do so?

That is exactly what I am saying. If they did it right they would piss off the factories and they are not going to do that. There is no reason they could not have got it right the first time on the factory cars. There are people within the NHRA that know what they are doing. They just don't let them.

How many old combos could you pick up and run 1.7 under first time out with out alot of R and D none. Other than maybe some oddball that slipped thru the cracks.

But if the factory racers could only run the index out of the box and need tweeking to go fast people wouldnt be spending $100,000 to buy one. For $100,000 they want runaway in a heads up fast out of the box.

[Robert Simpson]

1) It is completely possiable to have a weather station at each tech trailer that monotors the weather and factors the given weather back to a standard. Example, STP, standard temp, pressure etc. There could be a correction factor at the end of every qualifying round and that is the number to "correct" the times back to the standard. This would take into account all weathers and elevations.

2) Factor new cars and older ones that have been intruduced into the book fairly. Get a rear wheel HP something, if you have nothing to go by. Look at the entire engine specs.

3) All cars that run fast enough to receive a factor shall be tore down. It does not matter if they pass the scales, fail fuel check or what ever they have to be tore down to be determined legal for the factor. Then if they are found to be illegal then they will be penalized...

To me it is real simple.. Hire the personell, give them the equipment and go to it.

[Hagen Gary]

I guess ole Larry thinks the 396 isn't fair because it carries 45 less cubic inches, two less barrels and 15 more Hp than his car. He believes it needs more because a few people out of the many have been fast. News Flash! Not everyone with one is flyin, and the two times it went under a second this year have been at a factored track and in very unusual weather conditions in Houston. It was like 65 degrees with a huge tail wind. Talk about a self serving agenda hidden under the guidlelines of "fixing" the AHFS.

[rtaylor3410]

Do not publish the triggers so that we can manipulate it.

[Ed Wright]

Larry's #1 isn't acrurate. 100lb is not 1/10th on all cars. The more power you make, the less effect it has. Mine, 100 lbs = no more than .08. Higher hp cars is less. Might help, but won't be enough. Probably not .05 with the new Mustangs. Good friend of mine is crew chief on a SBC Comp car, they juggle weight to change classes. He says with their car 100 lbs is five hundredths.

[Billy Nees]

I agree, seems like 100lbs =.10 works at about J,K,L. Anything higher is less, anything lower is more. In my V car, 100 lbs is .22!

[Mike Pearson]

Can anyone tell me what the proceedure is for asking for a HP reduction for a certian combo? Send a letter? Send an e-mail? Who does it get sent to?

Thanks

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

I guess ole Larry thinks the 396 isn't fair because it carries 45 less cubic inches, two less barrels and 15 more Hp than his car. He believes it needs more because a few people out of the many have been fast. News Flash! Not everyone with one is flyin, and the two times it went under a second this year have been at a factored track and in very unusual weather conditions in Houston. It was like 65 degrees with a huge tail wind. Talk about a self serving agenda hidden under the guidlelines of "fixing" the AHFS.

Hey Hagen you must be a friend of Larry's otherwise I don't think you'd be calling him OLD, not sure what you are trying to say 44 less cubes two less barrels and carry 15 more HP, I bet Larry would love to bolt on a set of your heads and intake & carb, and I'll put money down that he gains at least 20 and in some cases 30 more HP and we won't talk about the after market goodies. Gary that sixpak doesn't perform as well as you may think and the 906 heads are a far cry if compared to the heads OEM or even better after market you have to work with, and this is why you only have a handful of people running the sixpack combo.If your comparing apples to apples, DON'T because a 396/375 can and will make more power, and I would guesstimate at least 20 more HP and that's conservative!!!SHOW ME A SIXPAK THAT CAN RUN IN THE 9's??? Last I looked the 396 w/steel head factor was 399 and w/aluminum 405, and Larry's sixpak factor is 405 don't see the difference, now if you want to compare that same combo in a B-body I'm factored @ 417 so stop teasing us! ? ! ? ! ? . . .

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Frank Bialas

now if you want to compare that same combo in a B-body I'm factored @ 417 so stop teasing us! ? ! ? ! ? . . .

Ole is a figure of speech that I believe is used to say "Look at this Guy". Not old. If I wanted to call Larry old, I would have used the word, Old. Also, if someone went fast enough to get your same engine 12 more hp in your car, should it not be just as fast in a smaller car with a shorter wheelbase and a 150 lb less shipping wt? Which is it, Is it fast enough to get hp or is nobody running one because they can’t make them work? I did go off of the 390 factor, and just realized that is the Stick version, so your right it’s at 405 in auto. So how did it get to 405 in auto, but stay 390 in stick? I really have no clue, but I can only assume somebody went fast with one.

Larry decided to call out a combo that in no way needs more Hp, and did it under the guidelines of fixing the ahfs. There are about 150 other combo's out there that need it before this one, but he chose the 396 because it barely went over a second under in two very rare and unfair circumstances by two really, really fast 396's. He did it only because it’s self serving. If he is going to uselessly call out a combo, I'm going to call him on it. Sorry?