Yet another bogu horsepower factor

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Lynn McCarty has posted the solution to the AHFS problems repeatedly.

NHRA is not going to do it.

In fact, the AHFS solution and the changes necessary to make it work quickly were presented to NHRA by some of the SRAC members nearly two years ago. NHRA rejected it out of hand without even considering it. Several long time racers were involved in creating a solution, but NHRA does not care and will not be bothered with it.

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Also, I have repeatedly suggested that NHRA take ALL of the data that they've collected all these years, do the 1000' run completion in the spreadsheet, and factor EVERYTHING once, right now, and then be done with it for years. If everything was factored *properly* based on the performance provided by their current rules, then everybody could run flat out. Then again, if everybody ran flat out, they would get factored properly eventually and then they could run flat out w/o fear of getting (more) HP, but people would rather game the system and then complain about the system. 'Course a little common sense would go a long way toward factoring combinations too, but NHRA has proven with the new cars that they don't care. I *do* think they know better, I just don't think they care. (The higher-ups, powers-that-be types... I think there are a lot of really great individuals working *for* them, that just don't have the power to make things right). What's anybody going to do about it?

Just do McCarty's system and be done with it.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

what is your idea billy?

Start using all of the eigth mile numbers!

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Start using all of the eigth mile numbers!

How about doing away with the 1000ft numbers totally just give the 60', and the 1/8 mile times

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Great Idea! Now everybody will just be dumping at the 330!

You would have to get every racer running that same combo to dump, not just one car. If it is an oddball combo that no one else runs,then it probably isn't that good to begin with and needs a lower factor anyway. Trying to get racers to stick together is like getting Congress to agree, so the chances of getting the same racers to dump the same amount is slim.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

You would have to get every racer running that same combo to dump, not just one car. If it is an oddball combo that no one else runs,then it probably isn't that good to begin with and needs a lower factor anyway. Trying to get racers to stick together is like getting Congress to agree, so the chances of getting the same racers to dump the same amount is slim.

I don't think you have been at the same races I've been at. Most of the faster (under index) cars are dumping early. Some even opt to "lose" class to protect their combo.
And as far as the "oddball combos" go I like your idea. I run an oddball combo. I'm sure most of the racers agree that my index needs to be softened. LOL

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Forget all the nonsense Mustangs, Challengers, etc. If you want to be the bad boy in the country get a Cadillac. It may not go into the eights, but it will go further under than anyone else.

Now that some new cars can obliterate the rest of the field everyone is crying and bickering amongst themselves. I totally understand the situation as I have been in it more times than not for over twenty years.

The thing is anyone who wants to race Stock only has to look in the Classification Guide and pick the combo that they want. How fast do you want to go? How much money do you want to spend? Some combos are soft and some are not, but you do have a choice.

Some people want to run these new Fords with say unfair HP ratings. These individuals know that they are just scratching the surface of their true potential. Same goes with the Mopar clan. The bowtie people have had an advantage in the past, but it only has taken several years to realign them with the HP ratings. The sad thing is that these newer cars will eventually be corrected but the other sportsman racers will have left the sport due to frustration.

In the true form of competition we need all the new cars we can get. It will keep the sport alive. We need the older cars as they are a real representation of the sport and is the greatest car show as well. And believe it or not we really need the imports if we are going to draw in a new generation. It all still comes down to HP ratings whether new, old, domestic or foriegn.

The manufacturers know how to "play the new game" with HP ratings. Remember that well. The technical staffs and crews can see the descrepecies in HP ratings as well. The regular racer can see the differences. Everyone knows what is going on. Even the NHRA people in the Competition Department know the situation. We have representatives and comitties but it does not help. If you want to reach the individuals who are casting a blind eye to this and are the ones responsible for changes then look no further that the five members of the Competition Committee. They are the ones who are running this HP game.
Get ahold of them and you have the culprits. Good luck.

Now leave each other alone and go after this Committee.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA no further questions.

Exactly!

It is not my fault if I play by the rules and go faster than you. A lot of people like to make this some type of personal problem but the problem lays with the rule book. The cars are legal (at this point) for stock and that is that.

If all the people that made comments on this topic wrote letters to the NHRA stating that these cars belong in SS not Stock maybe they would listen and at least start thinking about doing something about the problem, we all know they aren't going to act quickly but at least it's a start.

I'm one of the people that can legitimately bitch about these cars because they made my unfinished Max Wedge Plymouth uncompetitive before the car is finished but rules are rules until they are changed.

JimR

[X-TECH MAN]

The compitition committiee is like our Politicians......They dont listen and they dont care.

[Myron Piatek]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Hold on a sec, let me check my wallet... Hm. Somehow, it appears that this "opportunity" isn't available to me. If I won the lottery tomorrow, I'd have one of each. That still wouldn't make them factored right or put them in the right class.

Of course it is! You could take out a loan, sell the house, cars, dogs, etc........( Just kidding. )

Ok, so I may not have worded it quite right. But it would not have been a good business move by Chrysler to make them "affordable to everyone". They appear to have planned on building the number of cars they felt they could sell without losing money.

If I read correctly, Jeffs car is one of 3 ordered with the 5.9. The 6.1's haven't been quite as big an issue because the HP seems to be a little bit closer to what it should be and there are other new Challengers and Mustangs to run against. But if Jeff hadn't ordered that 3rd 5.9, someone else could have and nothing changes! Gaining a competitive edge (preferably) under the rules is in the nature of a racer. Unfortunately, some can afford to pay for this edge and others can't. It will likely get worse when the other Mustang combos come out and will cover many more classes, including "H"!

I can understand the frustration of having almost no chance heads-up against a very mis-factored combo. But as it's been pointed out many times, the blame falls on NHRA. Perhaps the manufacturers share some of the blame because it's in their best interest to have their new cars out there! But they are looking at it from a business standpoint. Can you blame them? NHRA has still wandered away from what it was originally designed for. Now it all boils down to money for them.

[Michael Beard]

You've *been* in my house, Myron! *IF* I owned everything I have free and clear, and sold all of it, I *might* be able to get one of those cars. But then I'd need to get a truck & trailer again to get it to the race track.

I'll never own a Hemi car either, but I have made a few passes in one. (Thanks Bob!)

I'm easy, though. I'll drive anything.

[Jim Wahl]

"I'm easy, though. I'll drive anything."

Myron has told me that many times about you Beard! Jim