oil retention devices - Page 3

Tim Lisson · 03-30-2010, 10:20 AM

Based on the letter from Lang attached to this post it sounds like the debate is over and it's now "how do we make it happen". Just another prime example why fishing looks better every day.

Oil retention on stockers is like changing seat belts every two years, is this **** really necessary?

I think back on how many times sitting in the staging lanes all strapped in watching a top oil down dragster pour fluids from one end to the other. I can only think of stocker that actually blew and dropped oil, and that person set the car by the wall so the clean up was condensed.

Tim

Eric Merryfield · 03-30-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Lisson

Based on the letter from Lang attached to this post it sounds like the debate is over and it's now "how do we make it happen". Just another prime example why fishing looks better every day.

Oil retention on stockers is like changing seat belts every two years, is this **** really necessary?

I think back on how many times sitting in the staging lanes all strapped in watching a top oil down dragster pour fluids from one end to the other. I can only think of stocker that actually blew and dropped oil, and that person set the car by the wall so the clean up was condensed.

Tim

I don't like it, but if its going to happen, in the interest of safety, then it would seem natural that it apply to the faster cars that allready require additional $ and equipment....ie quicker than SS/JA for SS, and correspondingly fast Stock classes...remember in stock, if you are slow, you can still wear pajama pants.

Ed Fernandez · 03-30-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by david ring

For this to be taken seriously, and I'm willing to take it as a serious promise, there have to be consequences if the promise is broken. What are the consequences that people are willing to put with if they promise not to oil the track and then they do?

Dave,the penalty is they would have to clean up the track themselves.Naked except for a NY Yankee hat.

Bryan Worner · 03-30-2010, 11:06 AM

Since it is probably being done as a money saving effort by NHRA, since they would save money on the manpower and materials needed to clean up oil downs, they should pay to have them installed on every Stock and Super Stock car!!!

I can tell you someone will have to be a real genius to make one fit properly under my cars.

Jeff Teuton · 03-30-2010, 11:28 AM

Somebody send me an email address that can post a couple pictures on this channel. I got the cure, but I don't know how to get a picture on here. jefft@southlanddodge.com

Jim Wahl · 03-30-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Parker

What if I promise not to blow my engine up?

Me to! Me to! Now let's race. Jim

Jeff Lee · 03-31-2010, 02:04 AM

Another issue I have not seen addressed is oil temperatures. This often does not relate to the bracket or Super Class racers as they are not "typically" running as us; the "performance based class racers".
I think you'll find a lot of the former running 50wt oils and changing the oil once or twice a season. The later will often run 10 wt oils and change it as often as every race. But maintenence, although an issue, is not the real concern I have, it's oil temperatures. Personally, per my engine builder, I don't want to see oil temps above 150 degrees based on the oil and clearances I have in the engine. He says if it hits 200 degrees, park the car until it drops. Even if it means loosing a round. Some may have a differing opinion but it's my engine and that's what I go by so I really don't care what Smokey Yunick said 30 years ago. Hardblock or similar products retain heat already.
Call it a diaper, call it a blanket, but no matter what, it's serves to retain heat in the oil pan. I see no way around this. I'd like an independent party to analyze the change in oil temp and the amount of time to cool down with a blanket as opposed to without a diaper.
And I'm with everybody else on this, I see no problem in the class. The issue in the sportsman ranks is the classes that seldom maintain their engines and continue to race when performance is suffering. A Super or Top racer that slows two tenths is more likely to adjust the throttle stop or ad more NOS than to pull the pan and inspect the engine. That always leads to trouble.
I'm sending this post to the S/SS committee
Tech@nhra.com

joe176 · 03-31-2010, 09:14 AM

I think I'll save money and have my bogus Impact firesuit made into a diaper !!!!!!! What Next !!!!!!!! Must be certified by Pampers at a cost $100 every two years.

Jeff Lee · 04-01-2010, 05:37 PM

Vic Santos,
I agree with you, below is what I posted on this subject earlier on post #44:

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Another issue I have not seen addressed is oil temperatures. This often does not relate to the bracket or Super Class racers as they are not "typically" running as us; the "performance based class racers".
I think you'll find a lot of the former running 50wt oils and changing the oil once or twice a season. The later will often run 10 wt oils and change it as often as every race. But maintenence, although an issue, is not the real concern I have, it's oil temperatures. Personally, per my engine builder, I don't want to see oil temps above 150 degrees based on the oil and clearances I have in the engine. He says if it hits 200 degrees, park the car until it drops. Even if it means loosing a round. Some may have a differing opinion but it's my engine and that's what I go by so I really don't care what Smokey Yunick said 30 years ago. Hardblock or similar products retain heat already.
Call it a diaper, call it a blanket, but no matter what, it's serves to retain heat in the oil pan. I see no way around this. I'd like an independent party to analyze the change in oil temp and the amount of time to cool down with a blanket as opposed to without a diaper.
And I'm with everybody else on this, I see no problem in the class. The issue in the sportsman ranks is the classes that seldom maintain their engines and continue to race when performance is suffering. A Super or Top racer that slows two tenths is more likely to adjust the throttle stop or ad more NOS than to pull the pan and inspect the engine. That always leads to trouble.
I'm sending this post to the S/SS committee
Tech@nhra.com

Racer 6x64,
Another prior post from a Division S/SS representative went something like this....If you are not a registered NHRA member with a current S/SS number, your opinion is not wanted by NHRA.

B Parker · 04-01-2010, 05:50 PM

Oil retention my ***. It's just a bunch of **** ( thats what diapers are for). Haven't you guys figured out what they do. Anytime we start having some real issues with things they divert our attention to crap like this and get us to stop thinking about real problems. Like the AHFS with the newer under rated cars. Especialy the one that Charlie is building. ( SORRY CHARLIE ) . I just couldn't help myself. Now if there is a real problem and it's costing money because we are not using diapers it's real easy to get most of us to put one on. Give anyone that uses a daiper a $25. discount on our entrance fee's. If there is a real problem they will save more than that with no down time from us and no extra track prep. Barry

03-30-2010, 10:20 AM	#1
Tim Lisson Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Solon Springs, WI Posts: 166 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Based on the letter from Lang attached to this post it sounds like the debate is over and it's now "how do we make it happen". Just another prime example why fishing looks better every day. Oil retention on stockers is like changing seat belts every two years, is this **** really necessary? I think back on how many times sitting in the staging lanes all strapped in watching a top oil down dragster pour fluids from one end to the other. I can only think of stocker that actually blew and dropped oil, and that person set the car by the wall so the clean up was condensed. Tim

03-30-2010, 11:28 AM	#5
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Somebody send me an email address that can post a couple pictures on this channel. I got the cure, but I don't know how to get a picture on here. jefft@southlanddodge.com __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

03-31-2010, 02:04 AM	#7
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Another issue I have not seen addressed is oil temperatures. This often does not relate to the bracket or Super Class racers as they are not "typically" running as us; the "performance based class racers". I think you'll find a lot of the former running 50wt oils and changing the oil once or twice a season. The later will often run 10 wt oils and change it as often as every race. But maintenence, although an issue, is not the real concern I have, it's oil temperatures. Personally, per my engine builder, I don't want to see oil temps above 150 degrees based on the oil and clearances I have in the engine. He says if it hits 200 degrees, park the car until it drops. Even if it means loosing a round. Some may have a differing opinion but it's my engine and that's what I go by so I really don't care what Smokey Yunick said 30 years ago. Hardblock or similar products retain heat already. Call it a diaper, call it a blanket, but no matter what, it's serves to retain heat in the oil pan. I see no way around this. I'd like an independent party to analyze the change in oil temp and the amount of time to cool down with a blanket as opposed to without a diaper. And I'm with everybody else on this, I see no problem in the class. The issue in the sportsman ranks is the classes that seldom maintain their engines and continue to race when performance is suffering. A Super or Top racer that slows two tenths is more likely to adjust the throttle stop or ad more NOS than to pull the pan and inspect the engine. That always leads to trouble. I'm sending this post to the S/SS committee Tech@nhra.com __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

03-31-2010, 09:14 AM	#8
joe176 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NY Posts: 601 Likes: 36 Liked 41 Times in 9 Posts	Re: oil retention devices I think I'll save money and have my bogus Impact firesuit made into a diaper !!!!!!! What Next !!!!!!!! Must be certified by Pampers at a cost $100 every two years. __________________ Joe Franco SS176

04-01-2010, 05:50 PM	#10
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 852 Likes: 990 Liked 2,343 Times in 465 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Oil retention my *. It's just a bunch of ** ( thats what diapers are for). Haven't you guys figured out what they do. Anytime we start having some real issues with things they divert our attention to crap like this and get us to stop thinking about real problems. Like the AHFS with the newer under rated cars. Especialy the one that Charlie is building. ( SORRY CHARLIE ) . I just couldn't help myself. Now if there is a real problem and it's costing money because we are not using diapers it's real easy to get most of us to put one on. Give anyone that uses a daiper a $25. discount on our entrance fee's. If there is a real problem they will save more than that with no down time from us and no extra track prep. Barry

03-30-2010, 11:06 AM	#4
Bryan Worner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duncannon, PA Posts: 825 Likes: 136 Liked 535 Times in 86 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Since it is probably being done as a money saving effort by NHRA, since they would save money on the manpower and materials needed to clean up oil downs, they should pay to have them installed on every Stock and Super Stock car!!! I can tell you someone will have to be a real genius to make one fit properly under my cars.