questions concerning christmas tree - Page 2

Alan Roehrich · 11-09-2009, 09:17 PM

It's not a "software problem", it's a "problem" in YOUR perception.

At best, it is a very minor "problem", if it is a "problem" at all.

Do you want to know why a lot of us don't give a damn about this mole hill you are desperately trying to make into Mount Everest? I'll tell you why. Because there are a lot of real problems, that are very serious problems for a lot of racers.

THESE problems are REAL deal breakers:

Increased purses and fees, with reduced payouts, which will most certainly be even further reduced next year. Nothing like spending more to get less.

Sportsman racers being held outside the gate, while tech is going on, and while their first time trial is being run, so that the "professionals" can park their rigs early. Nothing like driving all night and parking in a field, then being left there while the "pros" get their perks and your time trials go on without you.

Piss poor track preparation. Nothing like a wasted time shot because they are too cheap or too lazy to prep the track.

Absurd scheduling that makes it hard to keep on top of your plan for a day of racing.

Sportsman racing either canceled or rescheduled at ridiculous times due to weather. It's great to never get your shot at class because of a brief shower, when you had a great chance at the win. Never mind sitting around for 2-3 days missing work so the pros can finish first, when they have nothing to do but race.

Five day national events that could be done in three with decent scheduling and common sense, so people with an actual job wouldn't have to take a week off to go to a race and sit three days and race two. It's always cool to leave your business closed and not making money an extra couple of days, so you can sit and watch a dog and pony show on the three days of a five day event that you don't run.

I could probably list 20 more real serious problems that actually need attention, as opposed to the "perceived crisis" of "unfair " red light issues. As I said before, there are a lot of serious problems that Stock and Super Stock face, and yet here you are again, campaigning and complaining constantly about a hangnail, while we're all struggling to survive a sucking chest wound.

bill dedman · 11-09-2009, 10:55 PM

Alan,

All the complaining in the world about the problems you mentioned has nothing to do with this issue.

If you think it's not important, then, ignore it. It's not worth your time.

I think it's a mole hill, but one that people have been tripping over for 36 years, and it's time to level it out, and level the playing field, in the process.

Doing so, won't affect any of the many other problems you mentioned in the slightest... one way, or another.

In all your verbiage, you still have not come up with one single reason NOT to fix it... none. Even YOU can't logically defend keeping this lopsided rule in effect.

That is very telling.

Glendora couldn't care less, I am sure; if they cared, it would have been fixed long ago.

I'm not holding my breath...

Thanks for your comments.

bill dedman · 11-09-2009, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

>>>You own it,but do you race it in S/SS?

I believe I told you that I can't afford a class car. Do you even read my posts, or do you just scatter-shot them, hoping to find a loophole? Do you think that when I race, because I'm not running an NHRA Stock Eliminator car, I am somehow, magically immune to the universally-accepted FIRST RED LIGHT rule?

Let me clue you in; I'm not. If I race against a quicker (bracket) car, and I red light, he never gets his chance to.

I asked Alan, where is the other side of THAT coin; he never answered me (couldn't, because there IS none...) Maybe YOU can tell me... How about it???

>>>I don't believe you have any grade points for 2008-2009.So you are basically an ex racer who is now a key board racer.

What am I doing in the picture I posted; eating Wheaties? I beat that Mustang, BTW....

Just because someone is not running an NHRA class car, doesn't mean he's not racing...

>>>Your constant blathering about every aspect of our racing can in fact be picked up by the wrong yahoos in Glendora and have changes that affect us.Key board racers will not feel the effects of these changes.

I would surely hope that they pick up on THIS one, so that guys like you. who are the first to leave the majority of the time, will start getting a fair shake. You may not want to admit it (for reasons beyond my understanding),but you've NEVER gotten a fair deal, unless you ran against a slower car, and that doesn't happen too often, in your class.

>>>>So reminiscing about the old days is fine but you don't have a dog in the fight anymore.

You're mistaken; every time I pull up to the line to run a quicker car, I get screwed by the same system that's screwing you.... but, you don't know it.

There's just no reason to let it continue. I can't get anyone to tell me one, anyway.

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442OLDS · 11-09-2009, 11:35 PM

Bill,

You have done an excellent job of expressing your viewpoint in this debate.

I have given this issue a lot of thought,and I have come to the conclusion that unless the race is a double redlight situation,it really makes no difference.

I also have come up with the conclusion that if two drivers redlight,they should BOTH be out.
I don't care if it is a .001 red to a .500 red,you redlight....YOU LOSE...PERIOD.

11-09-2009, 09:17 PM	#1
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,144 Likes: 1,623 Liked 1,952 Times in 439 Posts	Re: questions concerning christmas tree It's not a "software problem", it's a "problem" in YOUR perception. At best, it is a very minor "problem", if it is a "problem" at all. Do you want to know why a lot of us don't give a damn about this mole hill you are desperately trying to make into Mount Everest? I'll tell you why. Because there are a lot of real problems, that are very serious problems for a lot of racers. THESE problems are REAL deal breakers: Increased purses and fees, with reduced payouts, which will most certainly be even further reduced next year. Nothing like spending more to get less. Sportsman racers being held outside the gate, while tech is going on, and while their first time trial is being run, so that the "professionals" can park their rigs early. Nothing like driving all night and parking in a field, then being left there while the "pros" get their perks and your time trials go on without you. Piss poor track preparation. Nothing like a wasted time shot because they are too cheap or too lazy to prep the track. Absurd scheduling that makes it hard to keep on top of your plan for a day of racing. Sportsman racing either canceled or rescheduled at ridiculous times due to weather. It's great to never get your shot at class because of a brief shower, when you had a great chance at the win. Never mind sitting around for 2-3 days missing work so the pros can finish first, when they have nothing to do but race. Five day national events that could be done in three with decent scheduling and common sense, so people with an actual job wouldn't have to take a week off to go to a race and sit three days and race two. It's always cool to leave your business closed and not making money an extra couple of days, so you can sit and watch a dog and pony show on the three days of a five day event that you don't run. I could probably list 20 more real serious problems that actually need attention, as opposed to the "perceived crisis" of "unfair " red light issues. As I said before, there are a lot of serious problems that Stock and Super Stock face, and yet here you are again, campaigning and complaining constantly about a hangnail, while we're all struggling to survive a sucking chest wound. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

11-09-2009, 10:55 PM	#2
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: questions concerning christmas tree Alan, All the complaining in the world about the problems you mentioned has nothing to do with this issue. If you think it's not important, then, ignore it. It's not worth your time. I think it's a mole hill, but one that people have been tripping over for 36 years, and it's time to level it out, and level the playing field, in the process. Doing so, won't affect any of the many other problems you mentioned in the slightest... one way, or another. In all your verbiage, you still have not come up with one single reason NOT to fix it... none. Even YOU can't logically defend keeping this lopsided rule in effect. That is very telling. Glendora couldn't care less, I am sure; if they cared, it would have been fixed long ago. I'm not holding my breath... Thanks for your comments. __________________ Bill

11-09-2009, 11:35 PM	#4
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,340 Likes: 5 Liked 282 Times in 103 Posts	Re: questions concerning christmas tree Bill, You have done an excellent job of expressing your viewpoint in this debate. I have given this issue a lot of thought,and I have come to the conclusion that unless the race is a double redlight situation,it really makes no difference. I also have come up with the conclusion that if two drivers redlight,they should BOTH be out. I don't care if it is a .001 red to a .500 red,you redlight....YOU LOSE...PERIOD.