IHRA tournament of Champions - Page 2

THE LEGEND · 10-28-2009, 08:31 PM

Michael good idea.
I would love to meet somewhere to run this off, but we need to put it behind us.
What if they split the money between those who were there. Then we show up The Thursday before the first rest of 2010 and race for the Gold Card and the #1. I know everyone could'nt make it back but at least we could shut the door on it.

One more thing I get tired of everyone refering to this years champion not being a real champion or a deserving one. The way I look at it. Theses are the rules and if you can beat the top 30 racers "SHOOTOUT STYLE" Then I think you've earned it.
Chip Johnson

buzzinhalfdozen · 10-29-2009, 08:03 AM

Based on the fact that they used reaction times in S/SS for qualifying ladder would it be reasonable to assume they would use this type of info to determine the results? I really didn't understand using that method for the S/SS why not just use the most under index? Oh I forgot in IHRA performance no longer matters.Joe

Beth Denysenko · 10-29-2009, 08:21 AM

Alex and I had 900 miles to discuss this on the way home and talk about "what could have been." I'm sure he will add his ideas later, but for now I want to comment on people who say those who were in the TOC shouldn't have been in the Sportsnationals or was only in it for the dough.

We have never been to Rockingham. We wanted to get a couple of extra hits on the track so we left early enough to enter. I would assume so did most of TOC competitors. And the money Alex won helped offset the travel expenses. Sorry for those in the SS All Stars who didn't get to start their race due to Alex still in the SN.

IHRA had a good idea there were a LOT of cars entered in the SN by Wed. night. They could have easily announced to everyone at the track Wed. night that the SN would start at 9am instead of noon. Give everyone a run card for two runs, those who showed up for a 12 pm start and only got one run would get a clean up. But they didn't do that. They didn't even start the SN until after 1:30 - we started an hour and a half late for what? Track prep. That should have been done on Wed. We should have been ready to run at 8 am Thursday. Mismanagement. More later . . . .

JJ3159 · 10-29-2009, 03:58 PM

First of all this is nothing against anyone who qualified for the toc,me i just dont care for the format, a person has his or her day in that race and their world champ . Those of us who have run ihra and chased points in the past have always delt with weather ,every race ihra runs when problems occur they do something diffrent each time.i stopped nhra racing 6 years ago till this year ,i went to columbus for the sports nats ,weather was bad still had fun and we raced ,time trials each day at an ihra race is a waste of time .if they trimmed down the number of claims in the old system that would save us all money too.again just my opinon. H/r 399 s/r 399 jj.

sstSteveM · 10-29-2009, 06:15 PM

Boy oh boy, ain't this a pickle! It's good to see you guys discussing solutions, keep'em coming!
It's no doubt this was an absolute worst case scenario, but
a. the reason there was a sportsnational was because of the TOC, not the other way around, the TOC had priority that weekend. (note to IHRA)
b. Time runs are overrated, the TOC racers are there mainly because these are the guys who don't need time runs. 1 is all you need and if weather is a threat that's it race'em. (note to IHRA 2)
Possible solutions?
a. Split pay out by '09 points earned + tow money like the Jegs allstars,
free invite to the 2010 TOC to those who qualified in 2009.
b. Roll over championship purse and double the $$ winnings for the 2010 TOC. Once again free invite to the 09 qualifiers. Next year run the sportsnational race the week before the TOC race (or ax it) and the TOC race will be the 09 and 2010 qualifiers for 20 K + deeper prize package for r-ups.

Craig Schultz is a good example of the benefits of the new format, in '05 he chased Div 5 points in NHRA and logged 4194 miles round trip for
a possible 2 K division championship prize. This year he travels to Byron, wins a richer pot in the sportsnational, and races at the Rock for a shot at a national championship and 10K. Total miles for those 2 races for Craig, 2900.
In this respect you can see (at least I can see) the new format working.

Over the last couple years I have sketched up plans for a mobile tarp system similar to that used on baseball fields for a dragstrip. Now Mr Feld should have good connections with tarps and tent material, it is time to invest in a system to help keep the track from getting soaked (or just wet) in rain events. If you could imagine all of the time and labor saved, jet fuel saved, increased racer and fan satisfaction, reducing the chances of weepers, I could go on and on. It would pay for itself in no time.....
a bit long sorry but if they want to run a show in a tight window I feel this would help accomplish that.
Just my crazy thoughts
Thanks,

-steve

td1332 · 10-29-2009, 07:50 PM

I like the thoughts of doubling the purse and having the 09 and 10 TOC qualifiers run together but I also believe it will drop the car count because you already have 32 cars qualified. I have a feeling they are going to reschedule it to Florida in Feb for the 1st National event, which is bs I went all the way to Rockingham NC from Syracuse NY in Oct, closed my business for a week took my 5 year old child out of school and spent my hard earned money to go and stay there for a week and come home with nothing. Is it fair to the up north racers who may not even be able to get there trailers out of the snow and possibly have to race guys who have been already racing for months. I also agree the sportsnationals sgould have never happen

Brandon Peterson · 10-29-2009, 09:10 PM

free entry 10k to win, im sold put the race where ever ill be back, im out of vacation days at work took my last 3 for the braket finals and 2 days for the world finals, but i would beg and plead with my bosses to let me go....i made the moser shootout for the 2010 season ill be at Martin for my free entry for 22.5k if i lose first rd wouldnt be the first time...did last year at Milan which was 15 hours to get there for nothing...3 blown trailer tires an all night ride home and no money earned and back to work at 730 the next day...i understand what Michael is saying bout the travel but we all do it because we love racing and i for sure want it to be here for a very long time....the deal at the Rock sucked for all of us even if it was only a 45 minute ride from the house....im still moping around because i wanted to do the TOC race more than anything.........summit super sereies,bracket world finals all are a 1 race deal with a world champ at the end of the day...if i came out a TOC winner i would say hey i went to 10 pro ams 3 sports natls and 3 reg. natls this year heck yeah i deserve it i may not have won every race i attended but damn if i didn't try to......

on the lighter side of the race there were deff. too many races trying to be ran including the sports natl...but i brought my stocker and i sure was one of the dummies that wanted to run it because guess what i wanted my "last chance" to make the TOC in stock...if any of the you that had 2 cars or and opp. to drive another that weekend and make the TOC im sure you would have been glad they had that race(even though they never finished all of it...lol)

luckydog · 10-30-2009, 08:47 AM

I really feel for everyone involved. Seems there is no right answer regarding how to finish the TOC. Quite the pickle!! This will always be a definate possability when you put all your eggs in one basket, which is the 1 reason I dislike the TOC format, and think IHRA needs to go back to the drawing board. I hope for the best for everyone invloved.

10-29-2009, 08:03 AM	#2
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions Based on the fact that they used reaction times in S/SS for qualifying ladder would it be reasonable to assume they would use this type of info to determine the results? I really didn't understand using that method for the S/SS why not just use the most under index? Oh I forgot in IHRA performance no longer matters.Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

10-29-2009, 08:21 AM	#3
Beth Denysenko Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 426 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions Alex and I had 900 miles to discuss this on the way home and talk about "what could have been." I'm sure he will add his ideas later, but for now I want to comment on people who say those who were in the TOC shouldn't have been in the Sportsnationals or was only in it for the dough. We have never been to Rockingham. We wanted to get a couple of extra hits on the track so we left early enough to enter. I would assume so did most of TOC competitors. And the money Alex won helped offset the travel expenses. Sorry for those in the SS All Stars who didn't get to start their race due to Alex still in the SN. IHRA had a good idea there were a LOT of cars entered in the SN by Wed. night. They could have easily announced to everyone at the track Wed. night that the SN would start at 9am instead of noon. Give everyone a run card for two runs, those who showed up for a 12 pm start and only got one run would get a clean up. But they didn't do that. They didn't even start the SN until after 1:30 - we started an hour and a half late for what? Track prep. That should have been done on Wed. We should have been ready to run at 8 am Thursday. Mismanagement. More later . . . . __________________ Beth Denysenko P/SA 330 www.moneymakerracing.net

10-29-2009, 03:58 PM	#4
JJ3159 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: WEST SENECA N.Y. Posts: 140 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions First of all this is nothing against anyone who qualified for the toc,me i just dont care for the format, a person has his or her day in that race and their world champ . Those of us who have run ihra and chased points in the past have always delt with weather ,every race ihra runs when problems occur they do something diffrent each time.i stopped nhra racing 6 years ago till this year ,i went to columbus for the sports nats ,weather was bad still had fun and we raced ,time trials each day at an ihra race is a waste of time .if they trimmed down the number of claims in the old system that would save us all money too.again just my opinon. H/r 399 s/r 399 jj. __________________ jj h/r 1399 s/r 1399 s/g 1399

10-29-2009, 06:15 PM	#5
sstSteveM Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 49 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions Boy oh boy, ain't this a pickle! It's good to see you guys discussing solutions, keep'em coming! It's no doubt this was an absolute worst case scenario, but a. the reason there was a sportsnational was because of the TOC, not the other way around, the TOC had priority that weekend. (note to IHRA) b. Time runs are overrated, the TOC racers are there mainly because these are the guys who don't need time runs. 1 is all you need and if weather is a threat that's it race'em. (note to IHRA 2) Possible solutions? a. Split pay out by '09 points earned + tow money like the Jegs allstars, free invite to the 2010 TOC to those who qualified in 2009. b. Roll over championship purse and double the $$ winnings for the 2010 TOC. Once again free invite to the 09 qualifiers. Next year run the sportsnational race the week before the TOC race (or ax it) and the TOC race will be the 09 and 2010 qualifiers for 20 K + deeper prize package for r-ups. Craig Schultz is a good example of the benefits of the new format, in '05 he chased Div 5 points in NHRA and logged 4194 miles round trip for a possible 2 K division championship prize. This year he travels to Byron, wins a richer pot in the sportsnational, and races at the Rock for a shot at a national championship and 10K. Total miles for those 2 races for Craig, 2900. In this respect you can see (at least I can see) the new format working. Over the last couple years I have sketched up plans for a mobile tarp system similar to that used on baseball fields for a dragstrip. Now Mr Feld should have good connections with tarps and tent material, it is time to invest in a system to help keep the track from getting soaked (or just wet) in rain events. If you could imagine all of the time and labor saved, jet fuel saved, increased racer and fan satisfaction, reducing the chances of weepers, I could go on and on. It would pay for itself in no time..... a bit long sorry but if they want to run a show in a tight window I feel this would help accomplish that. Just my crazy thoughts Thanks, -steve

10-29-2009, 07:50 PM	#6
td1332 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 22 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions I like the thoughts of doubling the purse and having the 09 and 10 TOC qualifiers run together but I also believe it will drop the car count because you already have 32 cars qualified. I have a feeling they are going to reschedule it to Florida in Feb for the 1st National event, which is bs I went all the way to Rockingham NC from Syracuse NY in Oct, closed my business for a week took my 5 year old child out of school and spent my hard earned money to go and stay there for a week and come home with nothing. Is it fair to the up north racers who may not even be able to get there trailers out of the snow and possibly have to race guys who have been already racing for months. I also agree the sportsnationals sgould have never happen

10-28-2009, 08:31 PM	#1
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions Michael good idea. I would love to meet somewhere to run this off, but we need to put it behind us. What if they split the money between those who were there. Then we show up The Thursday before the first rest of 2010 and race for the Gold Card and the #1. I know everyone could'nt make it back but at least we could shut the door on it. One more thing I get tired of everyone refering to this years champion not being a real champion or a deserving one. The way I look at it. Theses are the rules and if you can beat the top 30 racers "SHOOTOUT STYLE" Then I think you've earned it. Chip Johnson

10-29-2009, 09:10 PM	#7
Brandon Peterson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 436 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions free entry 10k to win, im sold put the race where ever ill be back, im out of vacation days at work took my last 3 for the braket finals and 2 days for the world finals, but i would beg and plead with my bosses to let me go....i made the moser shootout for the 2010 season ill be at Martin for my free entry for 22.5k if i lose first rd wouldnt be the first time...did last year at Milan which was 15 hours to get there for nothing...3 blown trailer tires an all night ride home and no money earned and back to work at 730 the next day...i understand what Michael is saying bout the travel but we all do it because we love racing and i for sure want it to be here for a very long time....the deal at the Rock sucked for all of us even if it was only a 45 minute ride from the house....im still moping around because i wanted to do the TOC race more than anything.........summit super sereies,bracket world finals all are a 1 race deal with a world champ at the end of the day...if i came out a TOC winner i would say hey i went to 10 pro ams 3 sports natls and 3 reg. natls this year heck yeah i deserve it i may not have won every race i attended but damn if i didn't try to...... on the lighter side of the race there were deff. too many races trying to be ran including the sports natl...but i brought my stocker and i sure was one of the dummies that wanted to run it because guess what i wanted my "last chance" to make the TOC in stock...if any of the you that had 2 cars or and opp. to drive another that weekend and make the TOC im sure you would have been glad they had that race(even though they never finished all of it...lol) Last edited by Brandon Peterson; 10-29-2009 at 09:13 PM.

10-30-2009, 08:47 AM	#8
luckydog Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ottawa, OH Posts: 274 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions I really feel for everyone involved. Seems there is no right answer regarding how to finish the TOC. Quite the pickle!! This will always be a definate possability when you put all your eggs in one basket, which is the 1 reason I dislike the TOC format, and think IHRA needs to go back to the drawing board. I hope for the best for everyone invloved. __________________ Damien Hazelton Lucky Dog Racing Last edited by luckydog; 11-03-2009 at 04:35 PM.