My First Look at the CJ's - Page 2

art leong · 03-13-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Miele

Alan, to compare NASCAR to NHRA as far a stock is concerned is wrong in my opinion. And as far as be careful of what you wish for, I have been wishing for this a long time. Chad, I new you would agree with Alan on this one. You think my car is bogus and as well as the new CJ's. My car maybe bogus but I have never said it wasn't, unlike many racers who claim there car is just the way it came from the factory. To my knowledge, I do not remember late 60's and up Corvette's coming with a non independent rear, but hey, that's ok right, its only a rear not really bogus.

Bill, I can tell you right here and right now, in front of everyone. My enthusiasm will not change when I get my *** handed to me in class. I have been beat many times in the past, just ask Larry Hill.

I want these car out there, I wish GM could do the same. I want this class to survive and it needs the new cars to do so.

Bill, I can't run with them, no matter how much I step it up. They have me by a solid 2 tenths, but that's okay.

I race for enjoyment, yes I spend allot of money. But when it comes to life, you can not put a price on being happy and racing makes me happy. I am fortunate enough to do this and will be dammed if I let anything bring me down when I am racing. If the CJ's kick my butt, well I will just have to work harder, and I will have fun doing it.

I can attest to the independent rear on the Vettes. If it wasn't for those rear ends someone else would have won the W.R. Grace Cup in 1980.
John. Mopar is back as a sponsor Thank God otherwise I would make $50 for a class win.

Bruce Noland · 03-13-2009, 04:38 PM

There really would be no need to "save" Stock if it had not been run into the ground by nhra. Yes, these new cars are neat and they will usher in a new theme for Stock. But nhra did not have to demolish what was left of the existing structure to "save" Stock. I have heard the new Mopar cars can make AA to I classes.

The old cars are on their way out and the new and improved Stock will soon feature $100,000.00 "Stock" packages. Most of the older cars will be running over at IHRA if they don't lose their heads over these new cars.

Dale Shannon · 03-13-2009, 05:30 PM

Yo Ken go get em, I would like to know one thing everybody worrys about getting beat on a heads up run in the elim how many times will that really happen in a season? How many times have you been beat by a bogus car 5 ths. under that has never been apart by NHRA? I would bet there are more bogus cars that can't run a second under than the fast ones everybody talk about. Is it ok to get beat by them? I also saw a post on here that a 427 chev it away won't make 700hp well your wrong folks, I think you know where it is to ken, but thats a story for another day.

Dale Shannon

Ken Miele · 03-13-2009, 05:47 PM

Hey Dale,

Sometimes I need to vent, and this was the time. I know that 427 very well, and it does make that kind of power. I here it will be ready for e-town. Class will sure be interesting. There is also a new CJ in the northeast. it should be out soon.

Earle Holt · 03-13-2009, 06:00 PM

The old cars are on their way out? Didn't Bruce's car just get refactored for being too fast within the last two -years? Not bad for a 35+ year-old car!

Look, the argument of new cars being under/over factored has been around since factoring began. You can't just stick your head in the sand and not let new cars into the class.

Bruce Noland · 03-13-2009, 06:21 PM

Dale,
That 427 does not make 700 Horsepower.

Earle,
I got my horsepower the old fashioned way. I earned it!

Alan Roehrich · 03-13-2009, 06:27 PM

No 427/425 Chevrolet will make 700HP on an honest dyno. If it would, a 427/425 powered car could run at least 9.75 at sea level in A trim. I've seen some fast 427/425 powered cars, but I've never seen one run 9.75 or faster at sea level in A trim.

Stock may need some help, but if you think that the manufacturers are coming to the rescue with altruistic notions in their head, you're sure to be terribly disappointed. They'll bring money alright, and maybe a little attention. Along with plenty of B.S., games, and politics. It'll be everything Stock does not need.

03-13-2009, 04:38 PM	#2
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's There really would be no need to "save" Stock if it had not been run into the ground by nhra. Yes, these new cars are neat and they will usher in a new theme for Stock. But nhra did not have to demolish what was left of the existing structure to "save" Stock. I have heard the new Mopar cars can make AA to I classes. The old cars are on their way out and the new and improved Stock will soon feature $100,000.00 "Stock" packages. Most of the older cars will be running over at IHRA if they don't lose their heads over these new cars. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

03-13-2009, 05:30 PM	#3
Dale Shannon Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver NC Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Yo Ken go get em, I would like to know one thing everybody worrys about getting beat on a heads up run in the elim how many times will that really happen in a season? How many times have you been beat by a bogus car 5 ths. under that has never been apart by NHRA? I would bet there are more bogus cars that can't run a second under than the fast ones everybody talk about. Is it ok to get beat by them? I also saw a post on here that a 427 chev it away won't make 700hp well your wrong folks, I think you know where it is to ken, but thats a story for another day. Dale Shannon

03-13-2009, 05:47 PM	#4
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,861 Likes: 456 Liked 16,554 Times in 1,522 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Hey Dale, Sometimes I need to vent, and this was the time. I know that 427 very well, and it does make that kind of power. I here it will be ready for e-town. Class will sure be interesting. There is also a new CJ in the northeast. it should be out soon.

03-13-2009, 06:00 PM	#5
Earle Holt Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 194 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: My First Look at the CJ's The old cars are on their way out? Didn't Bruce's car just get refactored for being too fast within the last two -years? Not bad for a 35+ year-old car! Look, the argument of new cars being under/over factored has been around since factoring began. You can't just stick your head in the sand and not let new cars into the class. __________________ Earle Holt 1055 Stock

03-13-2009, 06:21 PM	#6
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's Dale, That 427 does not make 700 Horsepower. Earle, I got my horsepower the old fashioned way. I earned it! __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

03-13-2009, 06:27 PM	#7
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,111 Likes: 1,570 Liked 1,816 Times in 413 Posts	Re: My First Look at the CJ's No 427/425 Chevrolet will make 700HP on an honest dyno. If it would, a 427/425 powered car could run at least 9.75 at sea level in A trim. I've seen some fast 427/425 powered cars, but I've never seen one run 9.75 or faster at sea level in A trim. Stock may need some help, but if you think that the manufacturers are coming to the rescue with altruistic notions in their head, you're sure to be terribly disappointed. They'll bring money alright, and maybe a little attention. Along with plenty of B.S., games, and politics. It'll be everything Stock does not need. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S