Adventures in buying a Super Stocker

[Chris1529]

Czarniak is a Pittsburgh name though.

[mtkawboy]

In todays world I sure wouldnt take a bank check for 22.5 unless I was at the bank it was written from, As for cash they make a felt pen available at any office supply place that you mark the bills with, if it turns yellow its good. As for the way this was handled Id have to hear the other side of the story first. Im sure the guy got torched in the past on a deal. I sure dont blame the buyer for being pi**ed though

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by Dave Turner

Wrong car Mike....I believe it's this one:

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/12946...aro-SS-DA.html

I know, this is another one for sale if he's looking for a '69 SS-DA (I know the owner)

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Bobby Zlatkin

Chad,

References for what; Being the Div. 2 wrench of the year or for just being a "good guy"? What has that got to do with a business transaction?

It was Bill Grubbs that choose to walk away from the deal. So you must then think the other guy is Joe Schmo. Probably a lot of Div. 3 guys would disagree with that. You are only hearing one side of the story. I'm sure each guy will say the other was unreasonable.

Two things are negotable, price and terms. They agreed on price. It was the terms they couldn't agree upon. They should have had a clear understanding of that before Grubbs left Florida.

As for the $1,000 - $1,200 in expenses. That's called "the cost of doing business". You win some, you lose some and sometimes you get rained out.

Bobby,
With all due respect, it appears Bill felt like the terms were agreed on. If the seller didn't think so, he should have said so. I doubt it was possible for Bill to read his mind via voice mail and email. And yeah, I'm taking in to account we're only hearing one side.

As for the cash, well, yeah, it could be counterfeit. But not likely. I don't think you could call Bill exactly hard to find, either. The drag racing community is not that big. I think Bill Grubbs paying with bogus cash after jumping through hoops to make the deal happen is a pretty big stretch.

[Bobby Zlatkin]

Alan,

I didn't imply nor did I think it would be intentional. Anyone can get stuck with bad money as a "holder in due course".

Obviously, the other guy was being ultra conservative (what we refer to as a scaredy cat).

If I was buying the car, and I saw that the seller's hot button was getting the money in the bank intact, and I really wanted the car, I would have gone along with it. I wouldn't have just got pissed and pulled out of the deal.

And I wouldn't have bad mouthed the seller publicly.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Bobby Zlatkin

Alan,

I didn't imply nor did I think it would be intentional. Anyone can get stuck with bad money as a "holder in due course".

Obviously, the other guy was being ultra conservative (what we refer to as a scaredy cat).

If I was buying the car, and I saw that the seller's hot button was getting the money in the bank intact, and I really wanted the car, I would have gone along with it. I wouldn't have just got pissed and pulled out of the deal.

And I wouldn't have bad mouthed the seller publicly.

Bobby,
It appears Bill put forth a really honest and earnest effort to buy the car. What else do you call going ahead despite weather, despite schedule changes, and going so far as to clear a driveway entirely at your own expense and effort, after already paying a good faith deposit? At some point, you have to cut your losses. Have you considered that maybe it was not possible for Bill to hang around another 48 hours? After all that, and getting the impression the guy didn't want to sell, what would you have done if something else came up?

Regarding the cash, if it had been bogus, again, Bill is pretty easy to find, and I can assure you that no matter what, the guy would have either been paid or had his car back. The Secret Service and the FBI get touchy about that sort of thing.

Also, unless Bill is lying, and I doubt he is, as he has no reason to, it isn't even close to slander. The truth is the ultimate defense for the charge of slander. I think maybe your use of that word is a little over the top, at best.

Bill and Brenda are friends of mine. Not real close, personal friends, but good friends for certain. We have a lot of mutual friends. I think you are very mistaken about Bill. I think Bill honestly feels a bit taken, and Bill is the kind of man who would make the effort to warn his fellow racers. Bill is an absolute stand up guy.

I can honestly say at that point I'd have asked for my deposit back, having made more than a good faith effort, and headed South, as Bill did.

In any event, I think I've said enough, and Bill is quite capable of defending himself without my help.

[Stick Racing]

If I were buying a car or maybe a piece of equipment for the business and the seller wanted cash only, I would expect something to be wrong or misrepresented. Once the cash changes hands, it's yours.
Its a possibility there may be something else he forgot to tell you and hoped you didn't find out until you got home with it.

Keep looking Bill, you'll find something! Hope to see you and Brenda at the races soon.

Andy Stone 1102 B/S 1112 SS/C