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Old 01-17-2009, 10:04 AM   #1
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Wow! I guess that I can die in my sleep and be a happy man! First Bruce and now Greg! Hey guys, while I will agree with you both 100% about "Factory Superstockers" coming into Stock, the "Perversion of the rules" has been going on for so long now (and usually with certain racers approval) that I'm sure that the suits in Glendora just figure this latest perversion is just the norm. We need the OEMs if for nothing else then for the publicity that they can generate. BUT, we need them participating within the "intent and spirit" of the rules. As far as I'm concerned, we all brought this upon ourselves by allowing "the rules" to be stretched and bent (and ignored) to the point that even I (the dumb s**t that I am) know that Stock is not Stock anymore. I feel that the dreaded AHFS was just NHRAs way of telling us"we can't enforce the rules anymore so go ahead and enhance heads and intakes and run parts breaker cams and we'll just tag on some HP". Greg, you and Woodro seem to be driving this runner volume issue and I'm going to guess (and I'll bet that it's a pretty good guess) that it's being driven to just try and make legal some "enhanced" heads that aren't legal now. Oh but let's see, now we've got NO valve seat rule and any steel valve which is going to make our runners bigger. I fail to see a difference between what Ford and Chrysler are doing with engines that never came in cars and what we are doing with valves, heads, brakes, fuel cells, ceramic lifters,wheelie bars, etc that never came in cars. BTW, LT1s never came in 98 Firebirds.
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:11 AM   #2
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Billy, it seems to me there is a large difference between allowing a small variance in runner volumes because of rule changes over the years and letting a blown aftermarket built race car in stock.

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Old 01-17-2009, 12:06 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland View Post
Says the man with no dog in the hunt.
A guys house is on fire and the bucket brigade is doing the best they can to fight it. A brand new fire truck pulls up with massive hoses and big pumps.
Your one of the bucket brigade who is complaining the truck will put the brigade out of work/you can't compete with it/it's not fair/the truck is more complicated than a bucket and will be unreliable.

Yes some of the guys will quit the brigade and start driving the truck, running the ladder, running the hoses etc. Others will say "I've been running this bucket for 30+ years, I'll race that truck instead of change". Others unfortunately will simply give up and quit firefighting.

Meanwhile there is a bystander watching (with no dog in the fight, truck or bucket) and say
"ISN'T THE IMPORTANT THING, THE HOUSE THAT IS ON FIRE"?

It's not all about YOU Bruce, or anybody else and their combo. The important thing is that S/SS survives and flourishes. I love S/SS (was sarcastic about the digger) and the big picture is, this can be the opening it needs, if viewed as a glass-half-full.

I see more potential benefit to allowing the new mustangs/camaro's/challengers into Stock, even if they do get booted to SS next year. Just the fact that NEW cars which are exciting (no offence to lower class new cars) will be drawing in not only big names like BIG and others, but also it shows the toyota and honda driving fans that the domestic's are still alive and kicking hard!

The downside is a possible #1 qualifier "ringers" until they're factored. There have been MANY new combo's that were declared the end of S/SS....and yet it survives. Imagine what will happen when it's not just another car on the track but a new one with factory support, and the wins are used in commercials/adds by the manufacture?
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