Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

G Schenck · 10-21-2007, 11:09 AM

I can understand if stock ran Friday and it rain out Sat. ,you should put the racers at the bottom of the qualifying sheet. But those two cars had every opportunity to run Sat. BTW is that Cobalt a real stocker or just a rent a car. How can you go to five races and never go down the track and next year he will be taken a spot at a National away from a real racer. Also it gave #31 and #32 a bye first round instead of giving the #1 a bye in the second round.

Greg

Tony Janes · 10-21-2007, 11:31 AM

The NHRA rule book say pass tech 1 gade point and 10 points

G Schenck · 10-21-2007, 11:59 AM

A rental car cannot pass tech and should not be inserted into the ladder.

Greg

jerrym · 10-21-2007, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G Schenck

A rental car cannot pass tech and should not be inserted into the ladder.

Greg

I AGREE in 2005 I lost the IHRA World Championship when the guy flew to the race and entered a rental car...Totally B U L L S H I T

Jeremy Mitchell

JRyan · 10-21-2007, 12:52 PM

Greg,

I don't agree with the rental car concept either, but other than fuel check (which is not done until after the run), why would a lower class FWD rental car not pass tech? AND, if you were ambitious enough to rent a car at home, remove the catalytic converter and add race fuel, and develope a program for a given car, and then always rent that same type car at any given race, you might be a contender, and never own a race car or even a tow vehicle for that matter.

Jerry

G Schenck · 10-21-2007, 01:52 PM

I thought you had to have 1/2" bolts holding the battery down, no coolants and aftermarket racing wheels but after looking at the rule book I guess not. My main concern is putting them in the program knowing they cannot run causing the ladder to change. Also could have made it a 65 car field and could cost someone to lose a divisional or national championship.

Greg

jerrym · 10-22-2007, 03:09 PM

Micheal
I think we both know my car could make the index at each of those races...and did!
Jeremy Mitchell

stockracer · 10-22-2007, 03:34 PM

I never thought id agree with Beard but he makes a valid point, There are a ton of people who dont qual. under the index, but we all know they can run well under!

Heres what we do...Lets hire 10 of the old guys, 55 and over, that havent won a race in 20yrs, and still think stock is all about as fast as you can go! We will let them make an invitation only stock eliminator, They can change the rules at will, and kick you out if you win to many events!

SHUT UP! Who cares what they race, most people are for keeping the slow classes (as am I) and letting people with underfunded teams go racing! A rental car is A great way for some one to experience a Stock Elim. weekend with limited expense! Hell I encourage it, And fans love it!

He with the most points wins the championship, simple! If you lost because a guy JUST SHOWED UP at an event, then he obviously did better through out the year, and must have had a race car at home!

Deep staging is gone...
Buttons are gone...
Soon stockers will be eliminated in superstock..
Now were goin to have to choose who gets to race what...

Michael Beard · 10-22-2007, 03:50 PM

Right. So, if you knew in advance that the rules required you to run under the index, you would have. In the same instance, I'm sure Chris Jackson would have made arrangements to get his car to the track or borrow a car, accordingly. You both played within the rules. The outcome would have been the same, regardless. Would it have sucked if I were in your shoes? Sure - same as my Rockingham points example. Sucks that I didn't win two more rounds this year, too!

Hindsight is 20/20, but again, people *did* take issue with the bonus points, and the rule has since been changed. If you'd like to recommend the DQ for non-index-running cars, I'm sure you can find the contact information for the appropriate people on each sanctioning body's website.

Jack Matyas · 10-22-2007, 04:31 PM

Stockracer----I'm one of "those" over 55 guys who likes to go fast---and I really don't like your tone !!!!!!!

PS--At least I'm not ashamed to sign my real name .

10-21-2007, 11:31 AM	#2
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The NHRA rule book say pass tech 1 gade point and 10 points __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

10-21-2007, 12:52 PM	#5
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greg, I don't agree with the rental car concept either, but other than fuel check (which is not done until after the run), why would a lower class FWD rental car not pass tech? AND, if you were ambitious enough to rent a car at home, remove the catalytic converter and add race fuel, and develope a program for a given car, and then always rent that same type car at any given race, you might be a contender, and never own a race car or even a tow vehicle for that matter. Jerry

10-21-2007, 01:52 PM	#6
G Schenck Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Harahan, La. Posts: 521 Likes: 41 Liked 81 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought you had to have 1/2" bolts holding the battery down, no coolants and aftermarket racing wheels but after looking at the rule book I guess not. My main concern is putting them in the program knowing they cannot run causing the ladder to change. Also could have made it a 65 car field and could cost someone to lose a divisional or national championship. Greg

10-22-2007, 03:09 PM	#7
jerrym Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Micheal I think we both know my car could make the index at each of those races...and did! Jeremy Mitchell

10-22-2007, 03:34 PM	#8
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never thought id agree with Beard but he makes a valid point, There are a ton of people who dont qual. under the index, but we all know they can run well under! Heres what we do...Lets hire 10 of the old guys, 55 and over, that havent won a race in 20yrs, and still think stock is all about as fast as you can go! We will let them make an invitation only stock eliminator, They can change the rules at will, and kick you out if you win to many events! SHUT UP! Who cares what they race, most people are for keeping the slow classes (as am I) and letting people with underfunded teams go racing! A rental car is A great way for some one to experience a Stock Elim. weekend with limited expense! Hell I encourage it, And fans love it! He with the most points wins the championship, simple! If you lost because a guy JUST SHOWED UP at an event, then he obviously did better through out the year, and must have had a race car at home! Deep staging is gone... Buttons are gone... Soon stockers will be eliminated in superstock.. Now were goin to have to choose who gets to race what...

10-21-2007, 11:09 AM	#1
G Schenck Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Harahan, La. Posts: 521 Likes: 41 Liked 81 Times in 35 Posts	Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can understand if stock ran Friday and it rain out Sat. ,you should put the racers at the bottom of the qualifying sheet. But those two cars had every opportunity to run Sat. BTW is that Cobalt a real stocker or just a rent a car. How can you go to five races and never go down the track and next year he will be taken a spot at a National away from a real racer. Also it gave #31 and #32 a bye first round instead of giving the #1 a bye in the second round. Greg

10-21-2007, 11:59 AM	#3
G Schenck Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Harahan, La. Posts: 521 Likes: 41 Liked 81 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A rental car cannot pass tech and should not be inserted into the ladder. Greg

10-22-2007, 03:50 PM	#9
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right. So, if you knew in advance that the rules required you to run under the index, you would have. In the same instance, I'm sure Chris Jackson would have made arrangements to get his car to the track or borrow a car, accordingly. You both played within the rules. The outcome would have been the same, regardless. Would it have sucked if I were in your shoes? Sure - same as my Rockingham points example. Sucks that I didn't win two more rounds this year, too! Hindsight is 20/20, but again, people did take issue with the bonus points, and the rule has since been changed. If you'd like to recommend the DQ for non-index-running cars, I'm sure you can find the contact information for the appropriate people on each sanctioning body's website. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

10-22-2007, 04:31 PM	#10
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,930 Likes: 406 Liked 2,050 Times in 398 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stockracer----I'm one of "those" over 55 guys who likes to go fast---and I really don't like your tone !!!!!!! PS--At least I'm not ashamed to sign my real name . __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

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