Who Gets The Bye ?

Larry Hill · 08-17-2009, 08:43 PM

In Class runs does the fastest qualifier up to that point get the bye or do the competitors flip coins or use another way to determine the bye? Once the first bye is determined does it follow the the same pattern until at least all competitors have had at least one bye?

Jim Bailey · 08-17-2009, 09:16 PM

Larry, I laugh about this at every class race. If we have 16 A/SA at Indy... #1 runs #16... #2 runs #15... #3 runs #14... #4 runs #13 etc. Thats the way it should be with every class. If I wanted to play cards or flip coins, I'd save money, (a lot of money) and go to the casino. ( sure would stop 1000' shutoffs, wouldn't it !)LMAO, Oh, BTY, if there's 15 cars...#1 gets the first bye. JB.

Bernie Cunningham · 08-17-2009, 10:00 PM

Been to a few of these over the years and never seen anybody totally happy until I brought out the playing cards with pairs and a joker for the bye if needed.
Jim, I'm sorry, but it ain't the way it used to be anymore. Sometimes a slower car gets to play a little longer in Class than before and I reckon that's cool. BTW, if you've had a previous pick for a bye you do not get to play the bye again.

Jim Bailey · 08-18-2009, 05:53 AM

Bernie: That's why they call us sportsmen, because we refuse to act and race like the pros. JB.

Dan Fletcher · 08-18-2009, 07:00 AM

we all know that there is no set procedure, but clearly there should be. It can and has been coins, cards, numbers out of the hat, and yes, even a ladder based on qualifying. It seems as though its different every single time, and if one player demands a coin flip for the bye, the others must acquiesce.

I would think this should be an easy enough action item for us to address. It seems only fair that the fast car gets the bye, and if a sportsman ladder is applied, who can bitch? Oh, wait...I forgot the audience in question...

herbjr · 08-18-2009, 07:06 AM

x2

Larry Hill · 08-18-2009, 07:15 AM

At Belle Rose for Top Stock, we drew pairs of cards. But I guess I will have to get another deck of cards because Floyd Russo crumpled up and threw away the card!!

Patsy

Jim Bailey · 08-18-2009, 07:26 AM

And once again, Dan Fletcher proves he is truly a Professional Racer !

Chuck Beach · 08-18-2009, 07:40 AM

They had class at the IHRA Nothern Nationals, even though there are so many different classes and a lot of singles, the IHRA officals take the time to pair up cars (trucks) in each class and give the bye to the fastest qualifier. I agree with Jim, Dan and IHRA, this is how it should be done. Why should class run offs be any different than the eliminator? We do qualify for the eliminator and are paired by how we qualify ...

Jeremy · 08-18-2009, 08:06 AM

I would like to see low qualifier get the bye, but at least NHRA should make a rule about this so we could do it the same every time.

At Indy a few years ago the racers in my class voted to flip a coin first round which we did, then a remaining racer insisted on using low qualifier for second round when he thought he was lowest left, then after finding out I was lower because of the first round run changed his mind again saying we have to do it the same as first round and flip a coin again.

Thanks Jerry

08-18-2009, 07:00 AM	#5
Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 491 Likes: 128 Liked 1,040 Times in 69 Posts	Re: Who Gets The Bye ? we all know that there is no set procedure, but clearly there should be. It can and has been coins, cards, numbers out of the hat, and yes, even a ladder based on qualifying. It seems as though its different every single time, and if one player demands a coin flip for the bye, the others must acquiesce. I would think this should be an easy enough action item for us to address. It seems only fair that the fast car gets the bye, and if a sportsman ladder is applied, who can bitch? Oh, wait...I forgot the audience in question... __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES

08-18-2009, 07:06 AM	#6
herbjr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 1,027 Likes: 1 Liked 83 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Who Gets The Bye ? x2

08-18-2009, 07:15 AM	#7
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,629 Likes: 1,922 Liked 10,681 Times in 2,222 Posts	Re: Who Gets The Bye ? At Belle Rose for Top Stock, we drew pairs of cards. But I guess I will have to get another deck of cards because Floyd Russo crumpled up and threw away the card!! Patsy __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

08-18-2009, 07:26 AM	#8
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Who Gets The Bye ? And once again, Dan Fletcher proves he is truly a Professional Racer !

08-18-2009, 07:40 AM	#9
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Who Gets The Bye ? They had class at the IHRA Nothern Nationals, even though there are so many different classes and a lot of singles, the IHRA officals take the time to pair up cars (trucks) in each class and give the bye to the fastest qualifier. I agree with Jim, Dan and IHRA, this is how it should be done. Why should class run offs be any different than the eliminator? We do qualify for the eliminator and are paired by how we qualify ... __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

08-17-2009, 08:43 PM	#1
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,629 Likes: 1,922 Liked 10,681 Times in 2,222 Posts	Who Gets The Bye ? In Class runs does the fastest qualifier up to that point get the bye or do the competitors flip coins or use another way to determine the bye? Once the first bye is determined does it follow the the same pattern until at least all competitors have had at least one bye? __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

08-17-2009, 09:16 PM	#2
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Who Gets The Bye ? Larry, I laugh about this at every class race. If we have 16 A/SA at Indy... #1 runs #16... #2 runs #15... #3 runs #14... #4 runs #13 etc. Thats the way it should be with every class. If I wanted to play cards or flip coins, I'd save money, (a lot of money) and go to the casino. ( sure would stop 1000' shutoffs, wouldn't it !)LMAO, Oh, BTY, if there's 15 cars...#1 gets the first bye. JB.

08-17-2009, 10:00 PM	#3
Bernie Cunningham Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 560 Likes: 45 Liked 52 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Who Gets The Bye ? Been to a few of these over the years and never seen anybody totally happy until I brought out the playing cards with pairs and a joker for the bye if needed. Jim, I'm sorry, but it ain't the way it used to be anymore. Sometimes a slower car gets to play a little longer in Class than before and I reckon that's cool. BTW, if you've had a previous pick for a bye you do not get to play the bye again. __________________ Bernie Cunningham 7053 STK Last edited by Bernie Cunningham; 08-17-2009 at 10:03 PM.

08-18-2009, 05:53 AM	#4
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Who Gets The Bye ? Bernie: That's why they call us sportsmen, because we refuse to act and race like the pros. JB.

08-18-2009, 08:06 AM	#10
Jeremy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 95 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Who Gets The Bye ? I would like to see low qualifier get the bye, but at least NHRA should make a rule about this so we could do it the same every time. At Indy a few years ago the racers in my class voted to flip a coin first round which we did, then a remaining racer insisted on using low qualifier for second round when he thought he was lowest left, then after finding out I was lower because of the first round run changed his mind again saying we have to do it the same as first round and flip a coin again. Thanks Jerry

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