Preliminary NMCA Stock/Super Stock (S3)Compo Rules 2017

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey

My recommendation would be to use IHRA Classes and Indexes. You'll solve about 75% of problems, in advance, keeping the Older Carburetor cars separated from the Newer Fuel Injected cars. I would also combine sticks and autos into the same class.

I am in favor of using IHRA indexes to save confusion.
I cannot seeing one single NHRA racer not liking the idea of getting an extra 3 tenths advantage during qualifying.

However, keeping the carbed cars separate from the EFI cars may not work because NHRA has equivalent classes for the EFI cars.

Either way, I would enter my EFI T-Bird as an IHRA car because the factored hp is less in IHRA for the same combo, therefore less weight I have to tug around.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Bob, I believe they are trying to keep performance as a major factor, but at the same time, giving the good drivers a chance to survive such a situation.
People are still going to hold a bit back, as they do now.

Actually, It's not a bad system, IMHO .Whoever thought it up deserves credit for thinking outside of the box.
Relax, some of you. I'm not advocating that NHRA should adopt this system.

I agree.
Whoever thought it up did a good job.

[XSTOCKER]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

I agree.
Whoever thought it up did a good job.

Might make it more fun to watch for the spectators also.

[SS3718]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

I am in favor of using IHRA indexes to save confusion.
I cannot seeing one single NHRA racer not liking the idea of getting an extra 3 tenths advantage during qualifying.

However, keeping the carbed cars separate from the EFI cars may not work because NHRA has equivalent classes for the EFI cars.

Either way, I would enter my EFI T-Bird as an IHRA car because the factored hp is less in IHRA for the same combo, therefore less weight I have to tug around.

Alan, I think many people will do exactly as you have said and will claim IHRA due to the beneficial factors etc. To keep it simple, I think it should be all NHRA factors unless your car ONLY fits an IHRA class (i.e. SS Production classes or Crate Motor).

On a separate note, I'm not sure I understand how "weight" will not be a technical requirement. Maybe someone can clarify!

In terms of the heads up, I think it could work. Basically, as long as you run your car within 0.10 of "wide open" at all times, you should be able to cover your "heads up dial-in". Bottom line, with this scenario, the faster car will most likely still win.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Jeff, Not sure you are reading it like I am.

Here's what I see:

One A/SA goes 10.60
Another one goes 10.50.
They meet..The dial-in is 10.40.
The slower one goes 10.50 ,with a good light.
The other one goes 10.39. He loses.
Brake (break) -out in effect.

Here's what I said .. So ...you run your car within 1 tenth of flat out in TT... Then you have that tenth in the bank for a heads- up runs .. correct ?...Interesting

I still think I'm thinking right .. I can go 9. 60 in GT/FA Flat out ... So I bag a tenth and set up for a 9.70.... Then if I draw a car that has been running 9,80.s all day... The dial in will be 9,60.. He would have to pick up 2 tenths and I'll only have to pick up one,,,correct ?... Of course there is that pesky breakout ...
Right? ..

[SS3718]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

Here's what I said .. So ...you run your car within 1 tenth of flat out in TT... Then you have that tenth in the bank for a heads- up runs .. correct ?...Interesting

I still think I'm thinking right .. I can go 9. 60 in GT/FA Flat out ... So I bag a tenth and set up for a 9.70.... Then if I draw a car that has been running 9,80.s all day... The dial in will be 9,60.. He would have to pick up 2 tenths and I'll only have to pick up one,,,correct ?... Of course there is that pesky breakout ...
Right? ..

I'm with you! That's the way I would race it!

[btrc]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

I am in favor of using IHRA indexes to save confusion.
I cannot seeing one single NHRA racer not liking the idea of getting an extra 3 tenths advantage during qualifying.

However, keeping the carbed cars separate from the EFI cars may not work because NHRA has equivalent classes for the EFI cars.

We run both IHRA and NHRA but do not have the advantage of the .3 easier index in IHRA because we have one of the dreaded new cars, even though ours is pretty much a stock combo. In fact, it is backwards NHRA FS/H - 11.50, IHRA DD/FIA - 11.30 We do get to take 165 lbs. out in IHRA but we can't get it out anyway so we don't bother. In the end qualifying, unless you are #1, doesn't mean a whole lot.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by SS3718

I'm with you! That's the way I would race it!

Sounds kind of neat. you agree Nick? Different anyways ......

[denbreeden]

I stopped by the NMCA booth today and talked with Kurt and Rollie, both very nice to talk to. However they let me know that as of now the 2008 and up cars won't be allowed to run NMCA because of comments from some of the racers. The supercharged cars can run the FSC class but us NA cars are left out. I understand a lot of racers with older cars don't like the new stuff, I get that. I grew up with the muscle cars and still have my 68 GTX. The new cars are in separate classes now, there are no heads up with older cars so what is the complaint now? If you only want to run with the older cars why not run N/SS? If any of the COPO, Drag Pak or Cobra Jet owners want to run the combo series you had better email NMCA this weekend as they are making a final decision this coming week. I'll hop off my soapbox now.

Dennis Breeden

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

Here's what I said .. So ...you run your car within 1 tenth of flat out in TT... Then you have that tenth in the bank for a heads- up runs .. correct ?...Interesting

I still think I'm thinking right .. I can go 9. 60 in GT/FA Flat out ... So I bag a tenth and set up for a 9.70.... Then if I draw a car that has been running 9,80.s all day... The dial in will be 9,60.. He would have to pick up 2 tenths and I'll only have to pick up one,,,correct ?... Of course there is that pesky breakout ...
Right? ..

Right. ..but not sure it can be technically called a heads -up run.
Carry on...