Both or neither this week in Phoenix!!!

[Toby Lang]

Gary,

I'm believe the title of your post is wrong and you worded it that way because it sounds better and gives you another opportunity to bash the NHRA. If you want to run just one race you have to run the second one. I'm pretty sure you knew that, but failed to mention it because it sounds better.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Gary,

I'm pretty sure the title of your post is wrong and you worded it that way because it sounds better and gives you another opportunity to bash the NHRA. If you want to run just one race you have to run the second one. I'm pretty sure you knew that, but failed to mention it because it sounds better.

Toby - Sounds to me like he wanted to enter the first race and hang around with his "buds" during the second race without having to pay .This would be a nitemare for management to figure out who paid and who didn't ...........

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Toby - Sounds to me like he wanted to enter the first race and hang around with his "buds" during the second race without having to pay .This would be a nitemare for management to figure out who paid and who didn't ...........

No Jack, if I didn't win enough rounds at this race (like I did in 2008) to win the money to pay for the second race, then I would've packed up said my goodbye's (and good lucks) to those who would run the second race, and I'd have been gone. Others may be like that but I wasn't raised to be that way, nor do I choose to be, so now what've you got to say???

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

No Jack, if I didn't win enough rounds at this race (like I did in 2008) to win the money to pay for the second race, then I would've packed up said my goodbye's (and good lucks) to those who would run the second race, and I'd have been gone. Others may be like that but I wasn't raised to be that way, nor do I choose to be, so now what've you got to say???

What I have to say now is that if your statement is true and reliable the same Nuns who taught and raised me would be proud ....That and the fact that I feel like many other members here - if $165 is going to break the bank perhaps you should rethink about even going to the first one .Seems to me if you're already there its a bargain to stay for the second and race it .Good luck ...........

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

No Jack, if I didn't win enough rounds at this race (like I did in 2008) to win the money to pay for the second race, then I would've packed up said my goodbye's (and good lucks) to those who would run the second race, and I'd have been gone. Others may be like that but I wasn't raised to be that way, nor do I choose to be, so now what've you got to say???

Ummmm, since you were there anyway, ya know, you could have won the second race.
Gary, I'm going to have to tell you a Billy story.
When I first moved into this area I went to the local racetrack (Beaver Springs)and met this obnoxious young man (he knows who he is) running in Street Eliminator who was/is pretty good. After getting to know him and his Dad a little better I mentioned to them that they should travel around a bit and hit some money meets. His Dad told me that "we need that $100 that he wins up here"! I told his Dad (who has become one of my best friends) that if they needed that $100 that badly then they shouldn't be racing and I told the Son that he could stay there and be the "King of Beaver Springs" and never amount to anything or he could take his show on the road. The Son has done OK.
I guess where this is going is that we all make our place in life. If you can't afford to NHRA race then bracket race. If you can barely afford to NHRA race then make the best of it or don't race. Don't complain about it, you put yourself there.

[Bob Don]

I am still scratching my head as to why you couldn't just run the second race (if you can only afford to run one). Everyone has their economic demons. Some more than others. But to come on to a public forum and complain that it is somehow the NHRA's fault that you can't get what you want is really pushing it. Life can be tough - deal with it.

[Dennis P Chapman]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ummmm, since you were there anyway, ya know, you could have won the second race.
Gary, I'm going to have to tell you a Billy story.
When I first moved into this area I went to the local racetrack (Beaver Springs)and met this obnoxious young man (he knows who he is) running in Street Eliminator who was/is pretty good. After getting to know him and his Dad a little better I mentioned to them that they should travel around a bit and hit some money meets. His Dad told me that "we need that $100 that he wins up here"! I told his Dad (who has become one of my best friends) that if they needed that $100 that badly then they shouldn't be racing and I told the Son that he could stay there and be the "King of Beaver Springs" and never amount to anything or he could take his show on the road. The Son has done OK.
I guess where this is going is that we all make our place in life. If you can't afford to NHRA race then bracket race. If you can barely afford to NHRA race then make the best of it or don't race. Don't complain about it, you put yourself there.

Good story Billy yep the kid has done very good.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

No Jack, if I didn't win enough rounds at this race (like I did in 2008) to win the money to pay for the second race, then I would've packed up said my goodbye's (and good lucks) to those who would run the second race, and I'd have been gone.

I've done exactly that before, and more than once I'm afraid. I probably shouldn't even tell these stories... Kids: DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME (or anywhere else).

One was a double-header Pro-Am at Carolina Dragway. After being on the road for several weeks, I came home to realize I had forgotten my truck payment. I paid two months on that to catch up, and after paying the first day's entry fee and Jill's crew ticket for the weekend, I had like $16 in my checking account (and more bills due in the next week). I was R/U Saturday night, and they paid in cash. "Hey, we're racing tomorrow!" I bought Sunday's tech card, and won the second race. "...and we're paying the bills!"

Another one was the first weekend out on a fresh motor. Wish list: Piedmont Pro-Am, race fuel, Pageland points race. I only had enough cash for two out of the three. Some idiot told me "Just write a check, win the race, and then deposit the winnings. It'll cover the check!" Wrote a check for the Pro-Am entry, paid cash for everything else. Made my two qualifying runs at Piedmont, loaded up and drove to South Carolina for the bracket race, R/U there, came back to Piedmont the next day and won the Pro-Am.

Both instances were pretty stupid things to do, but as some cranky old coot (he knows who he is) told me once, "I'd sell my spare tire for gas to get home."

Again, those are extreme and stupid examples, BUT the point is, there are people out there that aren't sittin' pretty in life, but have the will and desire to compete. If you think back, maybe a lot of you used to BE that guy. If a guy only has the money to only run one race, and that's what he wants to do, there's no reason to dissuade him.

You have tech, you have wristbands, you have credit cards, you have open checks, there's any number of possible ways to have a checksum to handle single-day entries. H*ll, you can hold his driver's license.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

I've done exactly that before, and more than once I'm afraid. I probably shouldn't even tell these stories... Kids: DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME (or anywhere else).

One was a double-header Pro-Am at Carolina Dragway. After being on the road for several weeks, I came home to realize I had forgotten my truck payment. I paid two months on that to catch up, and after paying the first day's entry fee and Jill's crew ticket for the weekend, I had like $16 in my checking account (and more bills due in the next week). I was R/U Saturday night, and they paid in cash. "Hey, we're racing tomorrow!" I bought Sunday's tech card, and won the second race. "...and we're paying the bills!"

Another one was the first weekend out on a fresh motor. Wish list: Piedmont Pro-Am, race fuel, Pageland points race. I only had enough cash for two out of the three. Some idiot told me "Just write a check, win the race, and then deposit the winnings. It'll cover the check!" Wrote a check for the Pro-Am entry, paid cash for everything else. Made my two qualifying runs at Piedmont, loaded up and drove to South Carolina for the bracket race, R/U there, came back to Piedmont the next day and won the Pro-Am.

Both instances were pretty stupid things to do, but as some cranky old coot (he knows who he is) told me once, "I'd sell my spare tire for gas to get home."

Again, those are extreme and stupid examples, BUT the point is, there are people out there that aren't sittin' pretty in life, but have the will and desire to compete. If you think back, maybe a lot of you used to BE that guy. If a guy only has the money to only run one race, and that's what he wants to do, there's no reason to dissuade him.

You have tech, you have wristbands, you have credit cards, you have open checks, there's any number of possible ways to have a checksum to handle single-day entries. H*ll, you can hold his driver's license.

Michael in 1979 we left New York with $305. (No plastic back then). Headed for Seattle then Fremont, then Ontario. We raced at 5 or 6 races across the country on the way.

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Gary,

I'm pretty sure the title of your post is wrong and you worded it that way because it sounds better and gives you another opportunity to bash the NHRA. If you want to run just one race you have to run the second one. I'm pretty sure you knew that, but failed to mention it because it sounds better.

So if you are going to get there Saturday morning to race the SAT - SUN race - you would need to pay for the THUR - Friday race you did not attend?

I bet Mike would figure out how to get that done without paying for a race you were not at.

Some non-automotive working people might not be able to attend the first race

I thought it was billed as two separate races....

Ron