Do you believe that the NHRA techs are doing their job?

[Paul Ceasrine]

Todd,
I'm just seeing more and more very unhappy racers.
Losing that 'in-your-blood' feeling more and more.
Right about the Cowl Hoods.
Don't remember seeing them on the 67' and 68' Camaros'.
When and who made them O.E.M. for 67' and 68'?
In reality, Stock Class is really Modified Stock.
pc

[mtkawboy]

We used to just out 1 blantently illegal easy to change thing in plain sight so they could jump on it & make you change it and they were happy back in the late 70s & early 80's. Otherwise they kept looking until they found something

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Wade Mahaffey

I can also say that I had a situation in which I spoke to several Techs and Div Tech Directors about an issue and the only one that was correct was Wesley Roberson. The rule book was revised the following year so that everyone that was in violation (and there were many that had been getting away with it) where now in compliance with the rule book. I did find out that the system worked, I followed the proceedures all the way to Bruce Bachelder and I showed him the violations were wide spread.
Wade Mahaffey

In my opinion this is the whole problem. What should have been done in this case is toss out every one that did not meet the rule book. Not change the rule book to make them legal. That is exactly how we got to the point that stock is now.

[Paul Ceasrine]

One of the first little body modifications I saw.
Guys with 70' 340 Dusters, swapping on the 71' Egg-Crate grille
(which was sharper looking), so they could pop on the
800cfm Thermo-Quad.
Some got away with it, others didn't.
Some guys just changed the grille out, because of the look, and kept it as a 70' with the Carter AVS.
Depending on the Tech Inspector, it was like a mystery on whether it would fly or not.
The smart guys, always kept the 70' grille in the trunk, just in case.
pc

[SS/GSI]

I guess I have to explain in more detail for those who cannot understand short form conversation.

When I said NHRA techs, I mean all that the represent, seeing as they are the biggest presence we rely on to represent those slackers in Cali. By the way if their pay is reflective of their interest or capability of doing their job, than they are right on pace. If they feel they are underpaid and this is a direct result of the lack of attention being paid to the cars in Stock and Super Stock, then ask for more money, God knows at an average of $500/entry with crew at a minimum and 400 sportsman cars/ race in a National Event they should be able to afford them a raise. I agree, safety first; however legality second.

For the people that do not believe that the correct accents on your vehicle should not be a huge concern (ie. hoods, tail lights, decals FRAMES), four words, Go Run Super Street.

If you do not want to put the pride an passion into knowing your car is a true Stock or Super Stocker; however want no electronics racing, I suggest you go run No Box in the IHRA, they need the car counts.

I heard of people getting torn down and DQed at every kind of event, not just Nationals or Class events. Now its almost only at INDY, wow 30 cars out of 3000 active members.

When I spoke of the rise and fall of the economy, I was saying it as a generalization of all the fluctuations in economic times since the begining of this sport.

One last comment. I also believe, unless your car is broken, and you can prove it, then running to a 1000' should be a DQ. It wasn't allowed back in the day and it shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by SS/GSI

I guess I have to explain in more detail for those who cannot understand short form conversation.

When I said NHRA techs, I mean all that the represent, seeing as they are the biggest presence we rely on to represent those slackers in Cali. By the way if their pay is reflective of their interest or capability of doing their job, than they are right on pace. If they feel they are underpaid and this is a direct result of the lack of attention being paid to the cars in Stock and Super Stock, then ask for more money, God knows at an average of $500/entry with crew at a minimum and 400 sportsman cars/ race in a National Event they should be able to afford them a raise. I agree, safety first; however legality second.

For the people that do not believe that the correct accents on your vehicle should not be a huge concern (ie. hoods, tail lights, decals FRAMES), four words, Go Run Super Street.

If you do not want to put the pride an passion into knowing your car is a true Stock or Super Stocker; however want no electronics racing, I suggest you go run No Box in the IHRA, they need the car counts.

I heard of people getting torn down and DQed at every kind of event, not just Nationals or Class events. Now its almost only at INDY, wow 30 cars out of 3000 active members.

When I spoke of the rise and fall of the economy, I was saying it as a generalization of all the fluctuations in economic times since the begining of this sport.

One last comment. I also believe, unless your car is broken, and you can prove it, then running to a 1000' should be a DQ. It wasn't allowed back in the day and it shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated.

Let's just race to 1000'.Nah,they'll dump at the 1/8th.Then we'll race to 1/8th.Nah they'll dump at the 330'.How about going to 330'?dump at 60'?That WOULD be funny.
I haven't seen anyone try to pass off a 67-8 camaro for a 69.Not yet any way.Seen a few Z-28
emblemed 69s though.Must have been a rare factory option.:>):>)

[Paul Ceasrine]

Ed,
Didn't the dumping start with Ronnie Sox in 68'.
He could run 10.30's on a 10.84 in June 68' for SS/B
with the Hemi Cuda.
Maybe we could put little camera's in the car, or pressure spring device on the gas pedal, to make sure everyone goes all-out.
pc

[Bobby Zlatkin]

Just because something slipped through tech in the past doesn't set the precedent that it's OK. If it's wrong, it's wrong. Not everything gets caught everytime through tech. That "But it passed at the Gators or the Southern Nats." is BS. Doesn't mean it's alright.

You can't really expect the tech men to catch everything, everytime can you?

I think I just said the same thing three different ways.

[Ed Wright]

[QUOTE]One last comment. I also believe, unless your car is broken, and you can prove it, then running to a 1000' should be a DQ. It wasn't allowed back in the day and it shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated. [QUOTE]

I don't know how far back "in the day" you are talking about, but in the mid/late '60s (cant say before 1964) really fast guys didn't always run all the way to the finish line. Since we didn't have these dumbed-down too-soft indexes back then, fast guys couldn't run flat out in eliminations (we were only allowed 1/10th under the national record) in good air. Had to leave the record to where we could still run them in the heat. Couldn't just dial further under in good air. Many guys would not run flat out during time trials at national events, since sub record passes were considered record runs. "Dumping at 1000" is nothng new at all. Heck, Jack Mullins was the best at that.

Bobby Z, I agree with you 100%.

[Super Sport]

When you attend a Divisional or National event, does a Stock/Super Stock techman look at your car or is it teched in by just any techman?

Not just any techman is allowed to tech T/F, F/C or Pro/S. Shouldn't a S/SS techman be the one to techs Stock/Super Stock racecars?