Ahfs

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by rboyle

I think the AHFS has been helping. The 305 combo did get whacked a few years ago but not the 1983 version so most had to modify their bodies to fall in line with the 1983 Camaro body. No small feat. But totally legit.

If NHRA had qualified fields at all national events (75 entries, 60 Qualified for most races) the AHFS may get triggered more often. Or if some points system for Qualifying were in place.

There is no need though to penalize every combo because of technological advances. Some combos already have been hit due to those changes and other combos didn't make significant gains due to technology advances/rules allowances.



A tenth off every index would just park more cars and with counts down overall I think that is counter productive.

The problem with this is that it's not done the same every time. A few years ago the 1973 /350 Corvette went 1.20 under. They also included the 1974 Corvette when they passed out the HP. The front and the rear of those 2 year Corvettes are different. So why didn't the 1983/305 get the HP.

Forgot to mention at the time the 1973
corvette got the HP the 74 also had a different head and intake they had to use. So instead of keeping their HP different they also at that time amended the 74 specs so they could use the same head as the 73. So I guess they expected if you had the 74 with the right heads and intake up to that time you could now throw those away and do another set up. It didn't matter because we know how cheap it is to change heads and intake. BP

[mitch kight]

Fact of Life! He who spends the most money will all was be fast! The AHFS want stop that! AHFS was made for by people who want work on there cars!

[Frank Castros]

Originally Posted by rboyle

That's just dumb.

Thanks!

[Angelo DiTocco]

Originally Posted by B Parker

So on my 5 hour trip to the Grove I gave this some thought. After trying to come up with some combo's that are underfactored and not by just a little HP I had a hard time naming any. Most of the new cars run in their own class. There are a lot of older cars that run really strong but not many are more than 5 off. In a heads up run in mind shaft air unless a 1000ft deal is made we are putting at risk combo's that really are not out of whack. Case in point the 1970 402/375 Nova's. Hit 15 Hp a few years ago because of a Heads up run at Atco in good air. The 69 350/ 255 hp combo. Tim came real close at Gainesville to the instant hit in mind shaft air. Hal and Joe run real close at several races. Looking at Indy for the last ten years the 305 of Rod's and Chris have owned the H class. .I still think the 305 is the better combo. With all the fuss about the AHFS to help make those underfactored combo's get Hp. Out of the and I'm quessing 100 or more combo's that run Stock what combo are we tying to get inline. For me I feel we have a bigger risk of hurting a combo that really dosen't need HP over getting combo's that could use HP. So please you guys that feel their are combo's so out of whack I like to know what they are and how they affect anyone else.
Thanks Barry

It's late at night sorry for ranting a little.

I still think the approach should include giving hp back to combos that do not have the options for aftermarket parts that some of the combos you refer to currently have. You have one of each... so I think you know what I mean LOL

[Larry Hill]

A racer may want to complete in the A/SA shootout knowing that the index is a full tenth of a second harder than the B/SA index of 10.25. Some racers are fast enough to be in the shootout and qualify. The Bell Curve is always in effect.

[Frank Castros]

How would lowering the indexes change these qualifying results?

Daren,
The point of listing this result is to dispel the notion that lowing the indexes by a tenth across the board would be unfair to to those at the bottom of the list. Based on this example I don't think so.

[Ellis V Buth]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

How would lowering the indexes change these qualifying results?

Daren,
The point of listing this result is to dispel the notion that lowing the indexes by a tenth across the board would be unfair to to those at the bottom of the list. Based on this example I don't think so.

Using Indy qualifying...where most people won't even enter unless they're capable of running .75 under...isn't exactly a good example. That's cherry picking the most competitive race of the year for qualifying to try to prove a point.

Go use the Columbus qualifying sheets from the past 2 seasons...or basically any divisional qualifying sheet where more of the cars that aren't as far under the index are likely to show up...and you'll find significantly more cars that aren't more than a few hundredths under the index especially in the heat of the summer.

Lowering indexes any further won't do anything to make the faster cars come back to the slower ones. It would, however, make several cars completely useless thru the summer months. In stock eliminator...where the car counts are already starting to falter a little bit...is shrinking the field of available cars for divisionals or "non-Indy" nationals really what is in the best interest of the class?

[Frank Castros]

Indy is Indy, I get it, but 171 cars in my opinion is a fair example, especially without the AHFS in effect.

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by Angelo DiTocco

I still think the approach should include giving hp back to combos that do not have the options for aftermarket parts that some of the combos you refer to currently have. You have one of each... so I think you know what I mean LOL

Angelo I have not worked on the 94 car. I'm sure when we get the time it will be faster, but I didn't get the car to go fast. Take a look at Bubba's race against Allie at Cecil. It looks like he was on an 10.0 run in B. He dosen't seem to have any problems flying when he needs to.

And I thought you had one of the fastest ones!!!