Mopar GT combo?

[Stewart Way]

Ron
In the DP car the 5.7 and 6.1 use identical heads, the SRT8 6.1 with 2.10 intakes added.

Cutta
Bruce Bachelder told me that if you were running a car with a factory scoop (in my case a 68 Hemi Cuda) you have to run a motor that came with fresh air so the scoop wouldn't give you HP not reflected in the NHRA factored HP.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by cutta

5.7 DP Engine, only difference between it and the 6.1 is the bore. But the factors between the two engines is much different and more favorable for the 5.7. The 5.9 would be an excellent choice as well and would be the cheapest option I'm sure.

305 HP factor

If you plan on running the car at around 3100lbs, GT/DA would be a perfect fit for this combo.

I would like to put to put a 5.7 DP Engine in a 96 Neon coupe and run GT/AA at the minimum weight (2600lbs) if its possible. I figure if they can get a Fox Body mustang to 2200lbs, then I could get a neon somewhere close.


Hey guys correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the hood scoop refer to the body style used, not the engine combination. Thats my understanding from reading my rulebook(09).

That's the way I look at it. You have a body "package" which in this case includes a scoop. You have an engine "package". Could be a 318 2bbl that never had a scoop option in my opinion. NHRA has a "GT" class where you can merge engine and body packages that never existed Like a 440-6bbl in a '70 Dart if you choose.
I don't see a rule that precludes scooped bodys with non-scooped engines.
Furthermore, NHRA has a long history (to present) that does not give HP for a scooped car. Look at all the musclecars with factory scoops, 442, AMX, Shaker Mopar & Mustang, Firebirds, Camaro's, etc., etc. Same HP with scooped hood or flat hood.
If I had a dog in the fight, I would petition to allow.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by cutta

5.7 DP Engine, only difference between it and the 6.1 is the bore. But the factors between the two engines is much different and more favorable for the 5.7. The 5.9 would be an excellent choice as well and would be the cheapest option I'm sure.

Im not trying to be "contrary" here or well , but here are some things to think about.

There are more differences than bore, read the blueprint guide for the engine, there was a a "correction" that was an after the fact change to the 6.1 deck height(in relation of the piston) as well look at the CR and gasket, and dome height, volume etc. There are more differences than just bore.

You are 100% correct about the 5.7 that is why after Gainesville (or Original Plan) was to run the 5.7 we didnt expect to HAVE to do it because we blew the 6.1 to smithereens, but we are very hopefull of the 5.7 capabilities, AND we will be the first to track it in a DP car. (in SS nonetheless)

The 5.7 and 6.1 are CHEAP. I would reckon cheaper than a 5.9 DP Motor.

Eliminate the FI system (both need the DP specific and they about the same cost)

6.1 Crank $349 delivered
6.1 Block $940 delivered
Rockers and shafts $40 ea x4
Pistons for 6.1 now $850 from ross
Rods $299
Pan Pickup Windage $500
Heads 2200 (done) less if you take stock castings and do em.
Oil pump 40-100

IF you do a 5.7 the short will cost $1200 and thats timing cover etc, sell the rest on Ebay (crank rods cam pan blah)

NOW , I "think" the 5.9 Crank, Rods, Heads are just as expensive for DP Parts.

You can find the Parts list on my Flickr site.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/newhemi...7623214928025/

Here and Here specifically

http://www.flickr.com/photos/newhemi...7623214928025/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/newhemi...7623214928025/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/newhemi...7623214928025/

Hope that is helpful to someone........

MOST Parts you can price on sites out there, if you have a dealer login then you can cross and check avail.

BUT and I will say this becuase they have been A1 with pricing, beating price, shipping cost etc, Henson in Texas seems Ace, Art over there is top notch.

Cheers

Chris

[cutta]

Originally Posted by drooze

Im not trying to be "contrary" here or well , but here are some things to think about.

There are more differences than bore, read the blueprint guide for the engine, there was a a "correction" that was an after the fact change to the 6.1 deck height(in relation of the piston) as well look at the CR and gasket, and dome height, volume etc. There are more differences than just bore.

You are 100% correct about the 5.7 that is why after Gainesville (or Original Plan) was to run the 5.7 we didnt expect to HAVE to do it because we blew the 6.1 to smithereens, but we are very hopefull of the 5.7 capabilities, AND we will be the first to track it in a DP car. (in SS nonetheless)

The 5.7 and 6.1 are CHEAP. I would reckon cheaper than a 5.9 DP Motor.

Eliminate the FI system (both need the DP specific and they about the same cost)

6.1 Crank $349 delivered
6.1 Block $940 delivered
Rockers and shafts $40 ea x4
Pistons for 6.1 now $850 from ross
Rods $299
Pan Pickup Windage $500
Heads 2200 (done) less if you take stock castings and do em.
Oil pump 40-100

IF you do a 5.7 the short will cost $1200 and thats timing cover etc, sell the rest on Ebay (crank rods cam pan blah)

NOW , I "think" the 5.9 Crank, Rods, Heads are just as expensive for DP Parts.

You can find the Parts list on my Flickr site.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/newhemi...7623214928025/

Here and Here specifically

http://www.flickr.com/photos/newhemi...7623214928025/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/newhemi...7623214928025/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/newhemi...7623214928025/

Hope that is helpful to someone........

MOST Parts you can price on sites out there, if you have a dealer login then you can cross and check avail.

BUT and I will say this becuase they have been A1 with pricing, beating price, shipping cost etc, Henson in Texas seems Ace, Art over there is top notch.

Cheers

Chris

Chris check your pm's

[hemidup]

Originally Posted by drooze

.... and I will say this becuase they have been A1 with pricing, beating price, shipping cost etc, Henson in Texas seems Ace, Art over there is top notch.

Chris, rumor has it that the dealership is closing down. Hopefully not. If so, Art will be truely missed.

[Sonny Stancil]

The only place i see a challenger would work would be base super stock. no gt or modified. Think of the aero advantage a daytona,avenger,or stratus would have.
It would take a lot to overcome this. Any of the engine combo that come in a drag pac
are real good. I will have a 5.9 on dyno in 60 days.