New hazmat rules

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

I dont disagree.....I have a line of timber here that I helped plant when I was 6....it was meant to be harvested...the only single reason I havent is I like the way it looks, when others heard I was thinking about it they were "up in arms" until they realized I helped plant it to harvest it....not a whole lot for them to say at that point.....

I agree, unfortunatley greed , which is NOT inherent to capatilism can intervene, and when things are hidden for profit and risks to others disquised for "corporate liability" then I take issue....

We learn, people, the human race.....I dont see anyone perscribing lead or mercury salts to their children anymore, but it was common practice in the not so distant past...it wasnt greed, it wasnt even stupidity, it was lack of knowledge....we now know what those things do, so we dont use them.

When the Chineese aluterate products with lead because of greed, as in its cheaper to produce that way, but at the same time NO US company would do it.....that I have a problem with....

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

When I was in the fifth grade in southern Oregon, our teacher led a good discussion of what 'conservation' meant. We discussed the options of settting aside land and not using it, which brought up the fact that that was'nt any good,and the lessons of the dust bowl during the depression came up, the 'move in,wear out,move on' philosophy,and we eventually came up with the definition that conservation meant"the wise and careful use of our natural resources".That meant eliminating wasteful practices,reforestation,(after all, trees are renewable,)and not using harmful products.Some of the green alternatives do work pretty well,and retiring some automotive chemicals are definitely wise,but new technology had to arise to replace old practices and proceedures.Liberalism works on emotionalism,hardly a reliable reaction(just ask anyone who is married),but good old conservative thought works on reality. The conservative capitalist line of thought is to take the reality of a situation, adapt to the change,invent new practices and products, and show a profit with your new industry as you meet the changing times. Sounds good and all-American to me!!

[Greg Reimer 7376]

Originally Posted by drooze

Im not a "tree hugger" but I grew up in a rural area and respect the land.

I have well and septic and will forever here...and I like it, I dont want things getting into MY and I say MY litterally water table / cycle that are going to cause problems for me or my kids...

I have used and still do some "nasties" things carcinogenic and now illegal to purchase, I have a supply I use them only when needed and carefully.

BUT as I get older and certainly in the presence of my kids , some of this crap scares the crap out of me, not like cancer is a rare thing in my family.

But some of the "green" alternatives Ive found have better qualities I have really begun to like.....Given an alternative between a safe and EFFECTIVE alternative....the problem in MOST things has been the efficacy of the "green" alternatives.

I think the problem with most liberals is that their septic tank is too close to their well.See the effect that's had?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

I think the problem with most liberals is that their septic tank is too close to their well.See the effect that's had?

Hmmmm....if you think me a liberal you are sorley mistaken, sorley.

Compassion for others is not synonomous with liberalism.

[Greg Reimer 7376]

I don't think you're liberal.You don't sound like it. Respect for the land you live on is part of the appreciation for America our founding fathers founded this country on.I'm talking about the bunch that seems dead set against everything we work for and seems determined to ruin everything for everybody else.There's no similarity there with what you wrote.Incidentally, is there any more greed than the liberal elite seizing control and the lives and assets of everybody else in the name of socialism?