We need a new "instant" trigger!

[Billy Nees]

Mike, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm OK with the -1.40 number I just don't think that the 3.25% number is enough. What I'm looking for is something like 7% or even more.

[B Aceves]

[QUOTE=Billy Nees;111654]OK everybody, The -1.40 trigger is taking too long to catch up to all of the "soft" combos out there! Any suggestions? OBTW we're talking Stock and SS![/QUO

Ya, Dont work on your stuff, Sell it and build something you think you know is a soft combo and
TRY to make it go fast!!

[Billy Nees]

B Aceves, Ya know? It never dawned on me till you put it to me that way! I'm a stupid, lazy, no good slacker! I'm so depressed I think that I'll apply for a job as a Tech Inspector. Or maybe I'll just shoot myself.

[Billy Nees]

BTW, anybody that thinks I'm singleing out Bob should read my thread; It's a mystery to me.

[Larry Munk]

BILLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Go to your room. You're not allowed to have a real job. Working on other peoples racecars is just a hobby.

[Ed Fernandez]

[QUOTE=B Aceves;111857]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK everybody, The -1.40 trigger is taking too long to catch up to all of the "soft" combos out there! Any suggestions? OBTW we're talking Stock and SS![/QUO

Ya, Dont work on your stuff, Sell it and build something you think you know is a soft combo and
TRY to make it go fast!!

You obviously dont know or have seen Billy at the track.Nobody works on his car,and others,more than him.I went with him to Gainesville (980 miles) so he could make a cam change and present a set of heads
to tech for inspection.I've seen him change carbs,move the cam and other misc. things,and that's between qualifying runs.He probably works harder at one race than you have in your racing career,if you race at all
He comes on here and makes observations and makes suggestions neither with any hidden agendas,unlike some on this site.
And he would never build a soft combo,that's too easy.



Ed F.

[Alan Roehrich]

Just a new trigger by itself will not solve anything. The AHFS needs a complete rebuild, it is fundamentally flawed, in at least a 1/2 dozen ways.

One other thing. There is now not enough incentive to go fast in Stock or Super Stock to make the AHFS really effective, even if NHRA were to be even remotely interested in fixing it.

And they are not at all interested in fixing it, if they were, they'd have taken the suggestions made by the SRAC and done it by now. Not to mention the fact they took it from people who really know the classes and put Glendora in charge.

With the new cars and their bogus factors backed by factory money, NHRA now has a vested interest in the AHFS not working.

It's a shame, ain't it? That Stock class eliminations at Houston was canceled so the Pro Mod dog and pony act could have two time trials says all you need to know about where Stock and Super Stock rank with NHRA.

[Billy Nees]

Alan, why is it that for 50 years the only "incentive" that a Stock and then Superstock racer needed was the want to go faster or have the fastest (fill in the blank) in the country and now there's not? Well I've been told that the people have changed and now the sport has to change to accommodate them. I'm not going to go into how they've changed as I think everybody on this board already knows my opinions but I think that you'll agree that they aren't going to change back so stop with the incentive crap. A "bracket racer" is only going to go as fast as he needs to. A "buy it all" racer is going to go as fast as he can afford to go and that leaves a hand full of us that are left to go fast with our minds or what is left of them. The only question I threw out is the instant trigger question. We've got a whole slew of new way underrated combos coming and I don't think that it is reasonable to wait 10 or 15 years for them to get sorted out! Don't you agree? Now instead of spouting your crap why can't you just give me your opinion on how to fix the instant trigger? It's the only thing that I asked about and I know that you are smart enough to add some useful input.

[X-TECH MAN]

Maybe if the instant trigger (after tear down) was 1.00 under the index with a 10% increase (hammer them)instead of the current percentage that takes 10 years to put the combo where it belongs most of the under rated and "TRICK" (bogus and expensive) engines would go away or move into S/S where they belong. .Not to worry.....it will never happen with NHRA.
P.S. After thinking about this for a little while maybe the trigger figure should be lowered to about .75 or .80 under the index as long as they stay at thier current level. If they are lowered then reduce the amount under as a trigger. Whats the point in having the entire field of some races being over one under and the bump spot someplace around .98 under. Thats just nuts. If the AA or A combos get factored out of Stock where they carry enough legal weight then they belong in S/S anyway. The cost of thes "GO FAST" engines is to the point of insanity. And when I say after a "tear down" I mean a very intense inspection. Crank, piston & rod weights, HEADS (NO hidden port work), all of it with NO interfearence from the ivory tower when some of the very good tech people find a problem. Do this at ALL of the races. National events, points races, Opens, and NO seperate adjustment for altitude tracks. My 2 cents but NHRA wont do it anyway.

[jimi]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK everybody, The -1.40 trigger is taking too long to catch up to all of the "soft" combos out there! Any suggestions? OBTW we're talking Stock and SS!

how about no trigger at all, get rid of heads up runs during eliminations every one dials, let the fast cars go fast during class run offs, i am tired of seeing racers with 1.3 or faster cars dump and go 1.1 under at 90 mph,hard workers or intellegent people(with soft combos) deserve to go fast without penaltybecause the combo went 1.41 under one time,my ss/am car lost .15 for two passes in better than perfect conditions1.41. and 1.44 under a few years ago and it has only been repeated once since with no reverse factoring or consideration for the other twenty cars that can only run 1.1 under the index ,refactor cars and combonations off of a quarterly average for the entire class or car combination if refactoring is absolutly nessecary, this is a very touchy subject and sometimes very confusing as to wich way it should go, i just cant stand to watch cars get blasted for going fast, it takes the fun out of working hard to go fast just to be penalized ,weight added or index dropped,
well i said enough just my opinion flame away!!!!!!