"WHAT IF" part 4

[John Lang]

Keep the tire rule at 9" ! Use the NHRA & IHRA classes alike for stk and ss, my suggestion! John....

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by John Lang

Keep the tire rule at 9" ! Use the NHRA & IHRA classes alike for stk and ss, my suggestion! John....

The fly in the ointment here. Two points, IHRA allows (1) 10.5 tires and (2), they also allow the springs to be moved inboard for tire clearence. NHRA doesn't allow this. My contention, why not allow a maximum of a 10.5 tire, those that have NHRA legal cars, if they can fit them under the fenderwells, can run them.

The view I'm taking, you're cross polinating here, so some cars have already been built under one rule structure. Some might take it that using the IHRA rules makes it more liberal. The 9 inch tire really won't bother me, that's been my plan from the beginning. As I've stated, I'm building a crate motor car. I do want to keep it within the confines of NHRA rules, in case I decide one day to build a 301 Pontiac or 403 Oldsmobile motor.

To me that's another issue, what about those of us that populate these classes, crate motor and GT. Since I can't run NHRA events with this car as a crate motor or GT stocker. My option to use the rules that are allowed, give me a little more leeway than the guy running a car that competes in NHRA. If I chose to take advantage of them.

Robert Swartz

[Harry 6674]

Originally Posted by John Lang

Keep the tire rule at 9" ! Use the NHRA & IHRA classes alike for stk and ss, my suggestion! John....

I couldn't agree more. If you want fat tires, narrowed rearends and moved in frame rails theres Super stock. It ain't stock. Course you could still run stocker tires but it could be a handfull with the narrow track. Sort of like driving with one of those inflateaspares on.

[Pistol Pete]

Terry Bell

I think to have our own Assocation would be great. I like UCRA - United Class Racers Assocation.

I also like Jeff Lee's comment on combine classes, Stick with Auto's & combining A,B&C - D,E&F, ect.
I came up with a different plan. See if anyone out there likes this idea.

I only did this for Stock Elim. I broke down all of the NHRA classes into 16 classes by combining them
of course. OK
1. AA stick & auto same index
2. A & B 3 tenths difference in indexs, so add wt. or take out wt. to make it even.
3. C & D 2 tenths difference.
4. E & F 2 tenths difference.
5. G & H .25 hundreds diff.
6. I & J .25 diff.
7. K & L .15 diff.
8. M,N&O 3 tenths diff.
9. P/S & P/SA is the same index.
10. Q/S - Q/SA & A/FS 2 tenths diff.
11. R/S & R/SA 1 tenth diff.
12. T/S & T/SA same index
13. U/S - U/SA & B/FS 2 tenths diff.
14. V/S -V/SA- C&D/FS .45 hundreds diff. ( this is the only class with a big index gap ) suggestions ?
15. W/S & W/SA .25 hundreds diff.
16. E/FS class by itself

How i would run this would be: Run these for Class Elim's on Saturday & the 16 Winners go into the Handicap Style Elim. for Sunday. Payout's, we could use some ideas. Anyone ?????
I'm sure you could do the same for Super Stock using the index formula. Different Class, Same Index =
1 Class, ect....
I would really like some payout ideas. I'll try & do 1 today.

UCRA is the future for us Class Racers...

Sincerely
"Pistol" Pete Dutko
1374 Stock

[GUMP]

I like the NCRA suggestion.

Please, NO fuel injected classes. NHRA HP factors too.

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete

Terry Bell

I think to have our own Assocation would be great. I like UCRA - United Class Racers Assocation.

I also like Jeff Lee's comment on combine classes, Stick with Auto's & combining A,B&C - D,E&F, ect.
I came up with a different plan. See if anyone out there likes this idea.

I only did this for Stock Elim. I broke down all of the NHRA classes into 16 classes by combining them
of course. OK
1. AA stick & auto same index
2. A & B 3 tenths difference in indexs, so add wt. or take out wt. to make it even.
3. C & D 2 tenths difference.
4. E & F 2 tenths difference.
5. G & H .25 hundreds diff.
6. I & J .25 diff.
7. K & L .15 diff.
8. M,N&O 3 tenths diff.
9. P/S & P/SA is the same index.
10. Q/S - Q/SA & A/FS 2 tenths diff.
11. R/S & R/SA 1 tenth diff.
12. T/S & T/SA same index
13. U/S - U/SA & B/FS 2 tenths diff.
14. V/S -V/SA- C&D/FS .45 hundreds diff. ( this is the only class with a big index gap ) suggestions ?
15. W/S & W/SA .25 hundreds diff.
16. E/FS class by itself

How i would run this would be: Run these for Class Elim's on Saturday & the 16 Winners go into the Handicap Style Elim. for Sunday. Payout's, we could use some ideas. Anyone ?????
I'm sure you could do the same for Super Stock using the index formula. Different Class, Same Index =
1 Class, ect....
I would really like some payout ideas. I'll try & do 1 today.

UCRA is the future for us Class Racers...

Sincerely
"Pistol" Pete Dutko
1374 Stock

This is great for the NHRA/IHRA stockers. What about the rest of the IHRA cars, GT, Crate motor and Pure stockers? IF, we're going off indexes, lump them in where they fit? No, I haven't done the research to see how this would work out. Or, we run as stand alone classes?

I like this scenario. Just curious as to how we'll fit with the rest of the stockers.

Robert Swartz

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz

This is great for the NHRA/IHRA stockers. What about the rest of the IHRA cars, GT, Crate motor and Pure stockers? IF, we're going off indexes, lump them in where they fit? No, I haven't done the research to see how this would work out. Or, we run as stand alone classes?

I like this scenario. Just curious as to how we'll fit with the rest of the stockers.

Robert Swartz

They already have thier own class index in GT, Crate motors, and the pure stockers but if you notice they run stick and auto together for the same class. There is no seperate stick and automatic class and to cut down the number of classes this might happen with the rest of the classes. Not sure yet though.

[House of Darts]

If you think that it is OK to lump the FWD with the RWD, then lump the Crate Motor cars with the rest of the field as per their index. Let the bitcin' begin.

[Dick Butler]

TOP/STK type deal for 2 or 3 classes together first time or two all the way down in Stock and SS. Get people comfortable again with bigger classes.
SS and GT with similar consolidation. Give 50 lb break to original SS cars at same breaks to see how it works.
It will work if you can keep the excitement of the stand alone Association. ADVERTISE it locally and charge minimal spectator fees. Get the crowd hooked again. Make the money on Food, and decals.
Regardless how cheap the tickets are it will be a start...
Get the Mustangs there and the Hemis and the Challengers and consider a Nostalgia display.

[X-TECH MAN]

Might go with ONE pound wt breaks instead of 1/2 lb breaks to further reduce the number of classes in both stock and super stock. Have to add a 6 and 7 lb wt break for the GT S/Sers to give the Hemi, T-Bolts, and Hi HP Corvettes some competition. The slight wt. break might work well to combine GT and traditional Super stockers????? Maybe some wt. break for the lower class automatic stockers and super stockers also. The main thing is there are way to many classes. The manufactures cannot pay for class win for all these different classes in this economy. Why do you think that a class win money has been going down and it isnt worth much even at Indy? All would still run the eliminator on Sunday anyway....not just class winners. Just thinking out loud. One question.....How many FWD cars exist today across the country anyway????