180 hp Caddy Motor

[bill dedman]

<<<"Has any other SS motor been hit 40 hp in a just over a year."<<<

Totally aside from WHO runs this combo (that's not my point at all), wouldn't you think that the guy or guys who assign these original horsepower factors would be totally embarrassed to have it demonstrated so graphically, that they have NO IDEA what they're doing?


I'd be ashamed...

[Real Racer]

Allowing that combination to be run at 180 HP was rediculous in the first place.

Boob Lang and the rest should be ashamed of themselves.

Almost as negligent as the 260 four barrel and 67 Shelby.

[Jack McCarthy]

stocker version is what made SS guys take notice...

but bob shaw has been good and only got it hit twice... balls though he was dailed -1.37 at indy

caddy rule

jack... i cant even get close

[Adger Smith]

Just some random thoughts. (probably not worth .02) :~)
I was always been under the assumption the original factor was based on the factory rated HP. Then when someone hammers, or works, the AHFS the factors move.
Just because a factory underrates an engine is NOT the fault of you so called "Nimrods"
Let's face it.... There are certain combinations that start out factory underrated that respond well to the changes allowed in Stock & Super Stock. For whatever reason, Some have big induction, decent heads & a small cam. Others have the same with a poor set of Ex manifolds. So, when the NHRA allowed changes take place a precieved slug comes alive. A sleeper suddenly wakes up. Who knows why a Caddy had a 180 Hp engine? Could GM have made it that way so all the grey haired old ladies buying those Caddys thought they got good gas mileage. Probably had to do with the original marketing approach of the times. Looks like the system is working when a combo gets hit as hard as the Caddy engine. The hard working guys that have studied the system & used it to their advantage are just reaping the results. Running fast, qualifying high & adding HP to the combo.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Just some random thoughts. (probably not worth .02) :~)
I was always been under the assumption the original factor was based on the factory rated HP. Then when someone hammers, or works, the AHFS the factors move.
Just because a factory underrates an engine is NOT the fault of you so called "Nimrods"
Let's face it.... There are certain combinations that start out factory underrated that respond well to the changes allowed in Stock & Super Stock. For whatever reason, Some have big induction, decent heads & a small cam. Others have the same with a poor set of Ex manifolds. So, when the NHRA allowed changes take place a precieved slug comes alive. A sleeper suddenly wakes up. Who knows why a Caddy had a 180 Hp engine? Could GM have made it that way so all the grey haired old ladies buying those Caddys thought they got good gas mileage. Probably had to do with the original marketing approach of the times. Looks like the system is working when a combo gets hit as hard as the Caddy engine. The hard working guys that have studied the system & used it to their advantage are just reaping the results. Running fast, qualifying high & adding HP to the combo.

Good call by Adger. This is same premise when people complain when new cars, such as the Roush Mustangs were added to the classification list. The AHFS will catch up with them eventually.

This particular Olds EFI engine used in the Cadillac, was a dog as an OEM street car. It had many problems related to the ECM and the HP factor from the manufacturer was correct. However, lets take this same engine, built under the current rules were you are allowed an aftermarket ECM and ignition, and other modifications, then you have a performer.

So, for smart people like Real Racer, why don't you tell NHRA how they should factor a new combination when they do not have a baseline to start from and all they have is the OEM HP?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Just some random thoughts. (probably not worth .02) :~)
I was always been under the assumption the original factor was based on the factory rated HP. Then when someone hammers, or works, the AHFS the factors move.
Just because a factory underrates an engine is NOT the fault of you so called "Nimrods"
Let's face it.... There are certain combinations that start out factory underrated that respond well to the changes allowed in Stock & Super Stock. For whatever reason, Some have big induction, decent heads & a small cam. Others have the same with a poor set of Ex manifolds. So, when the NHRA allowed changes take place a precieved slug comes alive. A sleeper suddenly wakes up. Who knows why a Caddy had a 180 Hp engine? Could GM have made it that way so all the grey haired old ladies buying those Caddys thought they got good gas mileage. Probably had to do with the original marketing approach of the times. Looks like the system is working when a combo gets hit as hard as the Caddy engine. The hard working guys that have studied the system & used it to their advantage are just reaping the results. Running fast, qualifying high & adding HP to the combo.

Adger;
Explain to me how a 40 year old combo still has to shut it down at 1000' if the AHFS should catch up to correct h.p..

Ed F.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Adger;
Explain to me how a 40 year old combo still has to shut it down at 1000' if the AHFS should catch up to correct h.p..

Ed F.

How do you know he shuts down at 1000'? Where does the rules say you cannot lift?

[Ed Fernandez]

Duh,the mph doesn't go with the et.

Ed F.

[Bob Pagano]

Not enough of them have been run over the 40 years to make the index/HP factor get in line with other combos that have been run to death. This is nothing new. The same thing has been going on since the inception of Class Racing. In the old days Guys, as one example Ralph Truppi, Searched the classification guides for the combos that could be the next killer combo. You know what I mean, Killer. Have an advantage that was Perceived or real. I've been told it was like a past time to him, spent many hours reading & searching. At that time it was up to Farmer & his HP committies to stay ahead of the game & keep the HP factors in line. In the old days you could just get a hit "Because" or It looks too soft. Now it is up to the AHFS & the data put in it by real runs. It's all the same game. We Just have computers involved in it now & the human element is deminished. They help in gathering & keeping data. They also provide us with the internet where we can keep track of & complain (or talk) about everything. When this soft Olds/Caddy combo is hammered down the players will move on to something else. I can assure you the guys that are good at this are already looking at the next killer combo. To make that point, a little bird named Bob told me about the Caddy combo @ Ennis almost 3 years ago. So now we can all sit in the shade & let these un adjusted combos bask in the sunlight of glory while we wait for the next one or two to come along. This cycle will continue untill class racing comes to an end.

Oops, This is Adger posting on Bob's sign in....

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

<<<"Has any other SS motor been hit 40 hp in a just over a year."<<<

Totally aside from WHO runs this combo (that's not my point at all), wouldn't you think that the guy or guys who assign these original horsepower factors would be totally embarrassed to have it demonstrated so graphically, that they have NO IDEA what they're doing?


I'd be ashamed...

Bill;
Now you finally hit a subject that needs to be addressed by the nimrods out in Calif.But nah,they're too busy figuring out how to scam us for more $$ to make up the shortfall coming in the pro ranks.Lets see this thread go 10 plus pages.
It seems certain combos are allowed to linger on the edge of HP with no look see.I dont blame the crafty guys who run these combos,it's the laziness of
Glendora to do their job.Check et/mph and let the tech guys do what they get paid to do without meddling from the main office.

Ed F.