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Old 07-16-2008, 10:39 PM   #1
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Jack, I have to agree with most of your comment. However, I need to correct one thing. You refer to a Republican congress, and that is incorrect. The Democrats took control of the Senate and the House in January 2007 when gasoline was $1.96 and Diesel was $2.46.....
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:41 AM   #2
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And two OIL MEN in the white house ! I case you forgot or never knew it takes a 2/3 to over ride a veto .They
can't pass anything right now but it will change . Have a n
You know Ed, those same two "oil men" were in the White House for SIX YEARS before the Democrats gained control of Congress, and before gas/diesel prices went through the roof. But then, you knew that already.

As to the rest of it, how do you KNOW the committee had ANYTHING to do with this rule change? What makes you think there's a GUARANTEE that NHRA will consult them or anyone else when it comes time to make a rule change? What makes you so sure Woodro Josey and/or Jeff Teuton had anything at all to do with it? Do you know for sure they did? Do you know how they voted? Let's see your evidence, since you've decided to call them out and accuse them in public.
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Old 07-17-2008, 01:49 AM   #3
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I am a Bracket Racer and sometimes an "IT" (Throttle Stop) racer as Hot Rod calls it. Guess I'm an ole school guy when I believe a class winner especially at Indy should go to the Eliminator on sunday!
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Old 07-17-2008, 08:55 AM   #4
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Alan have you called your Div. rep to talk with him on this new rule? I called our Div 3 rep and spoke with him about this subject. Now, about the "two oil men" in office, we're almost at the bottom of the barrel with those two in there. Prices of fuel and gas, layoffs because of the gas prices, prices at the stores going up, service men getting killed everyday, people losing their homes, yea the President said everything is lookin GOOD. J.Gower stock 3058
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Old 07-17-2008, 09:18 AM   #5
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Jack -- I , just like you have been at this game a very long time and my first Indy was a couple of years after your 1972 stats -- where in the world did they come from? 336 entries in stock -- my memory is fading but I did take my meds this morning and I still can't remember a stock field ever being that large......maybe I should start thinking about taking some Aricept . Also , before you and your sons start burning your membership cards maybe waiting until the smoke clears might be prudent .........

PS-- Does anyone know for sure that the Sportsman Committee voted on the new Class Winner rule ?
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Old 07-17-2008, 09:45 AM   #6
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I dont know why everyone is so upset about this. The only race on the tout that allows more than 128 entry's is Indy. All of the other races it will not make any difference. Due to the economic conditions there might not be 128 cars there. NHRA might limit the entry's to 128 cars in the future. On the other hand it says all national events will have a 128 car field. I guess that means the will accept 128 entry's at all of the nationals? Indy is 1200 miles away for me so this ruling doesn't effect me. I couldnt win class anyway.I am one of the low budget guys that the fast guys want to get rid of anyway. Us slow guys love racing just as much as the guys with alot of money. We just have to live with in our means.
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Old 07-17-2008, 10:32 AM   #7
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Steve Polhill, "slow *** class winners?" I imagine some guys who race a car factored tightly by AHFS or really made in Detroit not on paper or without superceded parts could take offense a that statement. Are you against slow classes or ? just people who win with less that 1.0 under cars?
I believe Class Racing in S and SS is the true meaning of Sportsman racing. If you want to talk about Bye run winners or less than .5 under winners or classes created and only one car exists then thats different. Remember it is not a "fault" of the racer for being alone in class at an event. It is caused by the Vast number of classes created. The intent on one hand was to give people latitude but also attract entry paying racers to events to support the purse. Now with time that has shown to be a weakness and diluting Class racing. That should be corrected.Cut the numbers of classes to 1/4 or less. Then ALL classes should have competition and be even more entitled to be in the Eliminator.
Class Winners earn the right to be in Eliminator. If there are no races in too many classes then COMBINE classes. Fix the problem , dont create a way around it that removes the reward for class racing. Not everyone who enters can win Eliminator but with Class, many can gain recognition for their wins.

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Old 07-17-2008, 11:22 AM   #8
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let me clarify a few things

1. i'm not a slow *** class winner, i will QUALIFY for the show in this my farewell tour indy (as i have for many years) NO MATTER WHAT THE BUMP IS !!!

2. the politicians i refered to were 8 years ago when the republicans who were supposed to return us to the frugal, non entitlement government spending got elected and spent more than any congress in history... like the new advisory committee we asked for to protect us from idiot weekly rules changes.

3. YOUR sportsman advisory committee members voted on this as part of the .2 tenths off index fiasco

4. if Wally thought class wins were unimportant why did he base all sportsman racing on them ???

5. 1972 there were several classes of over 30+ entries... ill get my program out & count them. by the way only 36 classes o/sa was last automatic class, sticks went to w/s i think

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Old 07-17-2008, 11:52 AM   #9
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It will stop some of the performers from having a duck that got in on a single car entry class "win" like last year.....or was that '06?

But, if it were truly a performance based race, there should be no shoe polish, and no breakouts.

I guess if it were easy, everyone would do it.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:53 AM   #10
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As much as you would like to call Stock and SS a performance based class, as long as you have shoe polish on your windows, its a bracket race.
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