HP on Monday?

[DG]

"I understand there are racers unhappy with the AHFS. However, no one really proposes a solution other than just "get rid of it."

Doug, I disagree. Below are a few of the possible solutions that have been discussed between NHRA and the SRA:

>Bring back the mineshaft rule
>Increase the review trigger to -1.2 under
>Raise the AHFS HP trigger to -1.0 under average
>Waive the AHFS during all class runoffs
>Lower indexes
>Provide incentives for top qualiiers such as lane choice

I would support any of these solutions. Unfortunately, NHRA hasn't made adjustments and seems to think the AHFS is working well in its current form.

Darin Grossi

[Frank Castros]

I'm an old school retired racer without a dog in the fight but in my humble opinion isn't lowering the indexes the most efficient way to repair this?
Also no AFHS in effect for heads up runs and Class Elimination events. Performance is the cornerstone of Class Racing. Please restore it.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

Also no AFHS in effect for heads up runs and Class Elimination events.

This is a recipe for some racers to dominate for all eternity...

[Doug Hoven]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

I'm an old school retired racer without a dog in the fight but in my humble opinion isn't lowering the indexes the most efficient way to repair this?
Also no AFHS in effect for heads up runs and Class Elimination events. Performance is the cornerstone of Class Racing. Please restore it.

As far as lowering the indexes is concerned, I personally don?t think it?s a great idea. If it happens, it happens. However, not all combos are going to recover no matter how much time and money you throw at them. I know that most don?t really care about the ?odd ball? slow cars that would be hardest hit by the indexes, but it?s flat out not fair to them. And NHRA has been pretty touch and go when it comes to asking for horsepower off.

Turning off the AHFS for class eliminations and heads up runs would really just be a glorified loophole around the exact times the AHFS is designed to work itself out.

I am not against the mineshaft rule. There are times when the weather creates fantasyland conditions that really can?t be used in determining how fast someone can go.

[SDmopar]

[QUOTE=GUMP;710140]This is a recipe for some racers to dominate for all

If you reset back to all original hp ratings the AHFS is not needed.

If people are concerned about parity then leave it alone but fix the way reductions are looked at. The current system is the best way to try to manage the parity situation. It does not adjust the combos that got excessively adjusted before the current system that?s really the only thing that requires adjustment. Somebody goes and smacks a combo there should be away to bring it back sometime.

Tear downs are probably not going to increase. Not enough $$, time, or experience.

[GTX JOHN]

I do not like the idea of lowering the indexes

When I came back to racing Stock (Bad accident / Boat racing)
in early 90's, It was several years before I could run 3 tenths under.

If the index was 3 tenths faster, we would have quit as we would not
have had the budget or knowledge back then to compete. I am sure we are not
the only ones who took a couple of years to learn the ropes.

Even now a number of cars including one of mine would have had
to been parked a couple years ago if the indexes were faster.


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[RULER]

So to answer the question, Next time this driver/car enters a race NHRA tech should do a complete inspection of this car and engine, that would end the complaining. If it passes great if it doesn?t then it should be reversed.

[rboyle]

Lowering the indexes will be the least fair way to ?fix? what honestly isn?t broken. How would the 1969 Camaro 350/255 combo feel about donating anotjer tenth to fix it if it?s an across the board thing?
There are lots of combo?s that didn?t benefit from some of the upgrades or have already had adjustments because of the rules. The 302 Ford 2 bbl combo?s all took a pretty good beating too a couple years ago. Shave another tenth off of them after most of them have been beaten up is also silly.
The system should be harsher to weed out the softer combo?s if the tenth across the board is the idea. 2 reviews a year, -1.20 auto hit, no free pass in Class elims or Indy. That will get the softer combo?s in line faster.
Personal indexes like in Comp are a nightmare to manage especially for 100 plus car fields and there are ways around it for teams with multiple cars or drivers. So the recent offender would now just not run H/SA and run G/SA and be fast again for example but everyone else with that combo can still be fast in FGH and when that same offender beats up all 3 then he?s the only one in EFG? It?s not as easy as it sounds. Also he can just switch drivers and the car is back in FGH if he has a 2 car team like some do.
Plus you?d have to police yourself and your competitor like at Indy. Hence the Complicated Eliminator

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by SDmopar

If you reset back to all original hp ratings the AHFS is not needed.

Really? All I see is more disaster. There would be so many combinations moved up and down the ladder with this change that I have no clue who would end up on top!

[1347]

[QUOTE=SDmopar;710150]

Originally Posted by GUMP

This is a recipe for some racers to dominate for all

If you reset back to all original hp ratings the AHFS is not needed.

If people are concerned about parity then leave it alone but fix the way reductions are looked at. The current system is the best way to try to manage the parity situation. It does not adjust the combos that got excessively adjusted before the current system that?s really the only thing that requires adjustment. Somebody goes and smacks a combo there should be away to bring it back sometime.

Tear downs are probably not going to increase. Not enough $$, time, or experience.

How does bringing the HP back to the original advertised fix this? There are some combos that are rated 40+ hp above the advertised rating that still run 1 second under, and there are others 10hp less than than their rating that can't run a second under. You would have a full 1.0 swing putting these back.

Lowering the indexes would only help the fast combos. A 1.3 under combo like the 255hp 350 would now be a 1.0 under combo, and other combos that are .9 under combos would be now .6 under.
An award for a fast combo to not have to trigger the afhs, but no way for a slower combo to ever have a chance.

It's a complicated process, and 1 solution doesn't fix it.