index lowering

[dragracerray]

[QUOTE=Billy Nees;705437]WOW! And we could call it "Junior Stock"! What a concept!
/QUOTE]

Billy I have heard Junior stock mentioned here in the past but I have not been in Stock very long so I know nothing of it. Could you explain how it worked and what was wrong with the concept for us newbies?

Did it have at least one combination where you could buy a cheap car and be under the index?

Ray

[Mark Yacavone]

[QUOTE=dragracerray;705471]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

WOW! And we could call it "Junior Stock"! What a concept!
/QUOTE]

Billy I have heard Junior stock mentioned here in the past but I have not been in Stock very long so I know nothing of it. Could you explain how it worked and what was wrong with the concept for us newbies?

Did it have at least one combination where you could buy a cheap car and be under the index?

Ray

Junior Stock was an NHRA eliminator, from about 1965 to 1971.
The idea was for home built, backyard cars to be raced on a part time basis.
The top classes of SS , down through A/Stock, were being dominated by Jenkins, Sox, Booth, Vanke, and various dealer and factory sponsored rides.
Jr.Stock was handicapped by the national records though. If there was any soft classes, they usually didn't last very long! It soon became just as sophisticated as their SS big brothers.

National event finals were flat out and a lot of them became the new national record.

Also holding a national record was a big deal, where points were given out for ET and /or MPH.
A lot of the popular class records got beat down at the fast tracks such as Cecil County , Fremont, etc.
If you could run a few tenths off the record at your local track in the summertime, you had a good chance of winning some pocket money.... all the while, running flat out to the finish line.

I'm sure someone will pick it up from here, as to Jr.Stk 's demise

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This thread was starting quite a few years back, by Mr. William Cole, who's still out there snapping and posting pics here on C/R

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-stock.201085/

[Pete Lanciers]

All of us are painfully aware of combinations that are absurdly, preposterously factored!!! The administration and management of current AHFS policy has done little to address those inequities in spite of the assurances we’ve received through the years and in some cases has even exacerbated some by taking off additional horsepower.

Raising the index floor across the board by two tenths may somewhat camouflage combinations allowed to run in the wrong class. However it will do nothing to level the playing field, this can only be accomplished by factoring combinations solely on the HP potential of each accepted engine. NHRA Tech have the courage to take the problem head on, this current proposal will only hurt entry level participation when we should be doing everything in our power to encourage it.

My vote: Not only No, but F? NO!!!

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by Pete Lanciers

All of us are painfully aware of combinations that are absurdly, preposterously factored!!! The administration and management of current AHFS policy has done little to address those inequities in spite of the assurances we?ve received through the years and in some cases has even exacerbated some by taking off additional horsepower.

Raising the index floor across the board by two tenths may somewhat camouflage combinations allowed to run in the wrong class. However it will do nothing to level the playing field, this can only be accomplished by factoring combinations solely on the HP potential of each accepted engine. NHRA Tech have the courage to take the problem head on, this current proposal will only hurt entry level participation when we should be doing everything in our power to encourage it.

My vote: Not only No, but F? NO!!!

I get the part of not wanting to lowering indexs by two tenths to help newbies. But making changes to hp because you can't run as fast as your competitor ain't cool. Either work on your combination or run the same combo that is the fastest. No one stopping you from buying or building the best for the class.

[Bryan Worner]

I love the guys who piss and moan about Stock and Super Stock being performance based, wanting more heads ups, points for records, qualifying posifion, against ?shoe polish racing, etc, but are against lowering the indexes! Make up your mind, would you!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio

Either work on your combination or run the same combo that is the fastest. No one stopping you from buying or building the best for the class.

And everybody would be racing a Camaro! (I've got a couple of them left in the garage somewhere....Hmmm)

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

And everybody would be racing a Camaro! (I've got a couple of them left in the garage somewhere....Hmmm)

You've proven there are plenty of combo's that go fast if your smart enough to recognize the potential. And willing to put in the work.

[Billy Nees]

But not all combos have the potential of others no matter how much time and money is thrown at them.
NHRA (at some point) needs to try and understand that not every Racer that they are dealing with is as "hardcore" as you or the Worners or me for that matter.

[Pete Lanciers]

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio

I get the part of not wanting to lowering indexs by two tenths to help newbies. But making changes to hp because you can't run as fast as your competitor ain't cool. Either work on your combination or run the same combo that is the fastest. No one stopping you from buying or building the best for the class.

Glenn, I got no issue competing with legitimately factored engine combinations, maybe you missed the absurdly, preposterously factored line in my post. Cause anyone capable of simple math can clearly pick those out, and I know you to be very capable. Given the current state of art I can compete with any F/SA combination, what I can’t do is compete with D/SA & E/SA combinations allowed to run as an F/SA by virtue of corrupted factoring. Making us do so is not cool, one might even say it’s down right larcenous!

[SDmopar]

The fundamental issue is the lack tear-downs and tech. I?m new to this but I believe the whole Idea of getting HP adjustments has been a foundational part of class racing. Having a standardized system that corrections are based off seems better than the opinion option of days gone by. In my opinion the real flaw is there is no option to have a correction reversed based on the current average of the combo. If the trigger involved a tear down to verify the legitimacy of the combo. There would be no need to reduce. That will never happen again or be an option.

I understand there are people out there much smarter and work way harder than I do to be fast. They should have no issue with a hp correction. They will continue to be smarter and harder working than the rest of us slow lazy guys. I will continue to work on my junk and get better. It would be easier to simply change combos and beat my chest about my intelligence. But then again I?m just a dumb farm kid with a combo that has been obliterated. I choose the path of perseverance and stupidity.