index lowering

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

For me this is a horrible idea and would effectively end my days trying to support the class. Ive spent 1000s of dollars (on a shoe string budget) just to try to just and run the damn ss index in the heat. If you wanna keep these classes going and attract new younger racers this isnt the way.

Why in the world would any racer in their 20s-40s spend 10x the money to run stock or ss when they can just put a delay box and throttle stop on the car..

FIX THE SYSTEM! AFHS system needs to use 1/8 mile data, have a mineshaft rule & a hard trigger! Hit the Trigger, Tear down and HP.

lowering the indexes just puts a bandaid on a bigger problem.

[Herbie Null]

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

[442OLDS]

I'd say just leave the indexes alone.I've considered going Super Stock and two more tenths off of those indexes would put a total end to that idea in bad air.
As far as the AHFS,I'd say just get rid of it with no penalties for going fast.Go three seconds under if you want to.If the AHFS wasn't used at the
U.S.Nationals,why use it anywhere?

[GUMP]

I say leave it alone for a couple of years at least. It's getting hard to keep up with the constant changes.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

Enjoy your ego massage!

[Herbie Null]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Enjoy your ego massage!

You have a good day Billy!

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

I totally agree with this. I like watching someone run a mile under the index just as much as the next guy. I also have no problem if I get hooked in heads up and get out run by the guy next to me. That?s on me and my program to get faster. When I was actively racing the stocker, I had a few heads up races,I got my *** busted, took my licks and went home. It?s not the end of the world


Maybe get rid of the whole damn AFHS system and just raise the review? trigger?. At the end of the year, have the stock and superstock committee guys review any runs or combos that are a problem.

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by Sam Capizzi Jr

I totally agree with this. I like watching someone run a mile under the index just as much as the next guy. I also have no problem if I get hooked in heads up and get out run by the guy next to me. That?s on me and my program to get faster. When I was actively racing the stocker, I had a few heads up races,I got my *** busted, took my licks and went home. It?s not the end of the world


Maybe get rid of the whole damn AFHS system and just raise the review? trigger?. At the end of the year, have the stock and superstock committee guys review any runs or combos that are a problem.

Great reply Sam! More of these racers need your attitude!!!

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

I see both sides to this issue as well. My program is just the opposite of yours. My car and engine are built for consistency and reliability. It?s much easier to de tune than it is to pick up. Costs nothing to de tune and run 50-75 under. I watch what you do and I see that you are more than capable of qualifying at the top of the sheet but sometimes elect to slow to more of a mid pack pace. Personally I would like to see the index?s stay as they are. I don?t see how lowering the index?s will enhance our program. The Fast cars got a gift when they changed the instant trigger to 1.30 under. I realize I am probably not one of the majority. I am for sure one of the old blood guys. I have been racing the same car for over 45 years. I totally respect your viewpoint.
Lowering the indexes will only result in lower car counts at the division level. Many tracks are electing not to host division races and or closing down due to cost issues or other preferences in event types to keep the gates open. We lost two of our tracks this year in D2. Reynolds and Galot are not participating in our schedule here this year. Both are a huge loss. Lower car counts won?t help.

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

Imagine getting a service call to fix the Ice Cream machine at McDonalds..

You show up, turn up the heat on the Coffee Maker while walking right past the broken Ice Cream machine..


If the fast guys are lobbying to NhRa to go faster without penalty then move the trigger and be done with it. The slower, low budget guys aren?t going to give a 💩.