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Old 09-08-2024, 09:08 PM   #1
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Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

While I applaud the tech dept for finally doing SOMETHING. I am disappointed in the decision for some simple fines and some points.

They were allowed to fix the issue and continue with the event (my impression of the releases on NHRA race).

If this were any common sportsman racer and not associated with a name in sportsman racing, the outcome would be different.

Last year, a D7 sportsman racer at Dallas won first round of the Allstars at Dallas and was DQed for a wheelbase infraction. Why wasn?t this racer allowed to ?correct the issue??
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Old 09-09-2024, 07:03 AM   #2
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The comments about the pulley having the right number of teeth but a different diameter doesn?t make sense because you have to have a certain pitch between teeth to match the pitch of the belt. So if the jackshaft pulley had 32 teeth, and the blower had 32 ( I don?t even know if that was spec at the time, just an example) and you made the jack shaft pulley larger diameter you would need a different pitch belt. And then you also need to make the blower pulley the same diameter to match the pitch of the belt. So nothing at all gained?
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The comments about the pulley having the right number of teeth but a different diameter doesn?t make sense because you have to have a certain pitch between teeth to match the pitch of the belt. So if the jackshaft pulley had 32 teeth, and the blower had 32 and you made the jack shaft pulley larger diameter you would need a different pitch belt. And then you also need to make the blower pulley the same diameter to match the pitch of the belt. So nothing at all gained?
I'm guessing that it would depend on how "tight" you could get the teeth on the belt to hug the jackshaft pulley and how "loose" you could get the teeth to hug the blower pulley and still work. I can't imagine there being a great difference in diameter but........
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I thought they had the correct pulleys, but the positions were reversed. Big pulley on the jackshaft and small pulley on the blower and it would spin faster.
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I thought they had the correct pulleys, but the positions were reversed. Big pulley on the jackshaft and small pulley on the blower and it would spin faster.
that is what I was thinking reading between the lines.
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I'm guessing that it would depend on how "tight" you could get the teeth on the belt to hug the jackshaft pulley and how "loose" you could get the teeth to hug the blower pulley and still work. I can't imagine there being a great difference in diameter but........
My understanding is there was 32 nubs on the outside so the counting could be done and the teeth where spaced out where the belt rode to catch the cogged belt correctly, close to 1/2" or a 36 tooth. Pretty smart design as apparently it has been in use since mid season last year and passed tech several times. Looking at all the numbers from the races from last year to Indy is easy to see who all had something extra under the hood in FSS and FX Mph and ET don't lie. We did not run our FSS car after Las Vegas race last fall because we were not competitive there. We laughed and said all year we would have to swap the rear pullies to run the cars in show down . Well now we know that was the truth. We have been working all year trying to get our engines better to make more HP since we were down 4-5 mph with the FX cars prior to Indy. Now we know the 80hp we were looking for was never gonna be found. I believe I lost 3 races last year to pully-gate 2024, and 3 this year. This makes my win at Norwalk this summer all that much more rewarding. My lose to Aaron in the finals at Indy was a legit lose. He clearly out drove me as I brought my worse pass of the weekend to the final. Now since the engine in the car was ran Sunday in Greggs car then switched Sunday night before he raced Alex and I, well that is another story in its self. The rules are the same as Pro-stock, once a engine makes a pass in one car it can not be used in another car at same event. But since the engines were never teched in with the serial numbers as should have been it was left go. Again I guess some people think rules are more of a suggestion then the standard.....
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The rules don’t apply to certain people. I’m pretty sure they aren’t the only classes they have “bent” the rules in over the years. They seem to be untouchable when it comes to tech, tear down, etc!

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Old 09-10-2024, 11:10 PM   #8
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My understanding is there was 32 nubs on the outside so the counting could be done and the teeth where spaced out where the belt rode to catch the cogged belt correctly, close to 1/2" or a 36 tooth. Pretty smart design as apparently it has been in use since mid season last year and passed tech several times. Looking at all the numbers from the races from last year to Indy is easy to see who all had something extra under the hood in FSS and FX Mph and ET don't lie. We did not run our FSS car after Las Vegas race last fall because we were not competitive there. We laughed and said all year we would have to swap the rear pullies to run the cars in show down . Well now we know that was the truth. We have been working all year trying to get our engines better to make more HP since we were down 4-5 mph with the FX cars prior to Indy. Now we know the 80hp we were looking for was never gonna be found. I believe I lost 3 races last year to pully-gate 2024, and 3 this year. This makes my win at Norwalk this summer all that much more rewarding. My lose to Aaron in the finals at Indy was a legit lose. He clearly out drove me as I brought my worse pass of the weekend to the final. Now since the engine in the car was ran Sunday in Greggs car then switched Sunday night before he raced Alex and I, well that is another story in its self. The rules are the same as Pro-stock, once a engine makes a pass in one car it can not be used in another car at same event. But since the engines were never teched in with the serial numbers as should have been it was left go. Again I guess some people think rules are more of a suggestion then the standard.....
Makes you wonder about their prostock program and past championships.
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