Trump found guilty!

[SStockDart]

[QUOTE=Eddies66;698384]Getting management to do their job was always a challenge, whether it was bonuses, performance evals, counseling, PIPs. They are either lazy or uneducated.[/QUOTE
If they are ALWAYS a problem, you need to look in the mirror for allowing mediocrity to happen. Fire them.

You might be surprised how "random drug and alcohol" tests on Monday morning will weed out the undesirables, union or non-union.

[SStockDart]

This "healthy" conversation started when someone said "-I will always vote to support unions". How about if someone changes the wording and says "I will always vote for someone that pays me more welfare, or gives me an Obama phone, or gives me free medical?
I prefer voting for someone that will close the border, kick out illegal invaders, reduce inflation, reduce/eliminate CRIME/punish criminals/ 90 day death penalty for murder with 3 credible witness', fentanyl dealers, child molesters,. abortion should be a state by state issue, allow prayer in school. No school debt payoff. Massive reduction in foreign payments. I will vote for whoever does the most of these whether republican, democrat, or Elmer Fudd.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

This "healthy" conversation started when someone said "-I will always vote to support unions". How about if someone changes the wording and says "I will always vote for someone that pays me more welfare, or gives me an Obama phone, or gives me free medical?
I prefer voting for someone that will close the border, kick out illegal invaders, reduce inflation, reduce/eliminate CRIME/punish criminals/ 90 day death penalty for murder with 3 credible witness', fentanyl dealers, child molesters,. abortion should be a state by state issue, allow prayer in school. No school debt payoff. Massive reduction in foreign payments. I will vote for whoever does the most of these whether republican, democrat, or Elmer Fudd.

You're talking about me. And yes, I will always vote for who supports me and my family. I've never been on welfare, never had a free phone, and never had free healthcare. But you're implying I have or value these. What's with you? I'm about to shed the kid gloves Mr. Gary. I have all the abilities of being a total dick. After a decade of dealing with your type, I'm capable. I refrain as we are all (supposed) to be racer buds.
I noticed you did not reply to my reply on your smart assss "How bout this" thread....The one I shot holes through by explaining in detail how the union kept me in a nice defined pension. All while our sister nonunion plants over in Sparks Nevada lost theirs. Right to Work gave those people a real whippin. And we have always enjoyed better wages, benefits, retirements, healthcare, and working conditions. Can't you just accept we have different circumstances? I don't harp for you to see things my way, but your adamit I'm in the wrong for voting differently than you. I don't see it that way whatsoever. It must be a management thing where condescending is the only way to evaluate. I was never management material. I could never suck that much a***. Just not for me.

[SStockDart]

I am not trying to change your mind about unions. I'm trying to change how people vote for singular issues. Like: I'm not going to vote for Biden because he took a crap on stage in France. Or, I'm not going to vote for Trump because he said "grab her by the p---" how about voting for what is good for our country, in your opinions.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

This "healthy" conversation started when someone said "-I will always vote to support unions". How about if someone changes the wording and says "I will always vote for someone that pays me more welfare, or gives me an Obama phone, or gives me free medical?

Gary, Jeff will never understand that "I will always vote to support unions" and "I will always vote for someone that pays me more welfare" will "always" be the same statement.
He will not understand that sometimes what is better for the country as a whole isn't necessarily what is better for him.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Gary, Jeff will never understand that "I will always vote to support unions" and "I will always vote for someone that pays me more welfare" will "always" be the same statement.
He will not understand that sometimes what is better for the country as a whole isn't necessarily what is better for him.

Billy, I have never been one of those 'I'll show you! Watch me shoot myself right in the foot"! When I vote, I do so in the same way mom used to make a cake. She had the basic ingredients. Without these you don't have a cake. You have flour, eggs, milk... Then you have the icing. It has to do with the flavoring of the cake, and most will find what it's made of is damn important. Then, lastly, you have the whipped cream. You don't have to have it, but you pay attention. It's a whoopie! if you can manage to get it (also)
My Basic CAKE ingredients are
1) My Standard of Living. For our family its always revolved around organized bargaining.
1B) Our family's Healthcare and opportunity to buy it. Trump voted 72 times to do away with my and family members preexisting conditions. My injectable infusing was 50 grand last month. What I have is hereditary, and several of my family members have it. Cousins, nephews etc.
1C) Social Security and continuation and support of it. Yes, I pay attention...Not just for me, but my kids future. Someday they will be old also.
1D) Taxes. It's obvious which party is on board with continually reducing wealthy folks' taxes. I think they're on the wrong path.
THE CAKE ICING
2) Gun control. I like my guns. But I don't
have any problem with registering them. I always have registered mine. Something has to be done. I'm for closing the loopholes at flea markets and gun shows. Doing nothing is not the answer. Will this fix's the problem. Nope
2B) Abortion and the Right of Women to have control of their body's. It should be between them, and their God
2C) The Climate. I think it's sad when my Grandkids look at me and say, " Thanks a lot Grandpa for leaving us this mess of a planet".
THE CAKES WHIPPED CREAM
3) The Border. Democrats are behind the eight ball here. I think their seeing the light, but the horse is already out.
3B) Military and the use of it. I'm glad were no longer in any wars. My Son was over in the sand for a couple years in an M1 A1 Abrams Tank.
3C) Gerrymandering. When what you're seeing, is not what you're really seeing. Seems crooked to me, and it is.

[SStockDart]

"Trump voted 72 times to do away with my and family members preexisting condition coverage?".
Come on Jeff. Where and how could President Trump VOTE to eliminate preexisting coverage? Presidents don't vote for laws, they either sign or veto a bill that gets to him. Trump was not a member of Congress, therefore had no vote for enactment. Where did he vote 72 times?

Also....for your information....
AP FACT CHECK:
A look at Trump?s claim during a news conference Friday evening in Bedminster, New Jersey: (2020)

TRUMP: Over the next two weeks, I'll be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions for all customers. That's a big thing. I've always been very strongly in favor. ... This has never been done before.

[David Lee]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

"Trump voted 72 times to do away with my and family members preexisting condition coverage?".
Come on Jeff. Where and how could President Trump VOTE to eliminate preexisting coverage? Presidents don't vote for laws, they either sign or veto a bill that gets to him. Trump was not a member of Congress, therefore had no vote for enactment. Where did he vote 72 times?

Also....for your information....
AP FACT CHECK:
A look at Trump?s claim during a news conference Friday evening in Bedminster, New Jersey: (2020)

TRUMP: Over the next two weeks, I'll be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions for all customers. That's a big thing. I've always been very strongly in favor. ... This has never been done before.

Fact check

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...2a2eea2e03a475

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

"Trump voted 72 times to do away with my and family members preexisting condition coverage?".
Come on Jeff. Where and how could President Trump VOTE to eliminate preexisting coverage? Presidents don't vote for laws, they either sign or veto a bill that gets to him. Trump was not a member of Congress, therefore had no vote for enactment. Where did he vote 72 times?

Also....for your information....
AP FACT CHECK:
A look at Trump?s claim during a news conference Friday evening in Bedminster, New Jersey: (2020)

TRUMP: Over the next two weeks, I'll be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions for all customers. That's a big thing. I've always been very strongly in favor. ... This has never been done before.

Ok, I not doing a deep dive, but trump pushed and pushed and pushed to eliminate the ACA. With absolutely nothing to put in its place, other than talk. You certainly remember that don't you? Republicans in Congress followed his lead, as they always do and voted over 50 times to repeal it. The ACA is the only protection for people with preexisting conditions. Until that point, I was uninsurable. I could not buy insurance because of my medical condition. I was lucky and in the group plan at work. I had been in it since 1980 and grandfathered in. Some of my family members were not so lucky. Can't buy life insurance either, but that's ok.
Now here's the rub, and its where the small details make a huge difference. This executive "order", and later the Republican last-ditch effort to repeal the ACA (called the mini repeal) did indeed guarantee a person preexisting coverage.... but at up to 5 times the price a healthy person pays. I was retired and in between the contracts coverage and getting to Medicare. I was paying 1200 a month at the time through Obammacare while all this stuff was happening. I knew I could not afford 6000 a month in premiums. Could anybody? It's the same as not having coverage. It's what we called in the Union as a bait and switch. They are simply pricing us out of it and all at the same time telling people its available. I'd like to have a private jet too !.. and its available, but I can't afford one.
https://time.com/4712725/ahca-house-...tes-obamacare/

[SStockDart]

Glad you are taking care of your health. Don't like "always" voting for unions.