Ways to check on the use of illegal devices

[Jeff Niceswanger]

I pulled on the scales one year during TT's at the US Nationals. At the time they had hired some young guy to look at electronics. He looked under my car and noticed a drive shaft sensor. He ask me where that was going to. I told him the ECU. I was busted. He had me take it off and hand it to him the next time I came across the scales. At the time ARC was not invented, but I was informed it's always been against the rules to tie your engine management to a counter (Drive Shaft Sensor). If there is no recorder (Racepac), there should not be a drive shaft sensor on the car. ARC will not be of much use without some way of counting speed/distance. I have installed many ah systems for S and SS guys and usually Drive shaft sensor comes up. I always relay what happened to me and I always get the same reply "The heck with that then" !

[Billy Nees]

Jeff, the way that I've always understood it, if you have a "data logger" (racepack), you can't have anything between it and your ignition box. The Grid goes between your "data logger" and your ignition box and lets them communicate with each other.
If I'm incorrect, I'm sure someone will let me know.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Hi Billy. I think the original intention of that was so you didn't have to buy multiple sensors for each system.

[Doug Hoven]

The ARC module is already spelled out as being prohibited in Sportsman categories. I can’t imagine any sort of “traction control” being very consistent. Killing power, especially if trying to replicate a curve, may be too “stop and go” for it to work well in a bracket racing scenario.

[DG]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

The ARC module is already spelled out as being prohibited in Sportsman categories.

I have been around long enough to remember the old adage "your not cheating if you don't get caught". We all know its self certification on entries and cars rarely get looked at closely anymore. That said, I think the vast majority of racers do not intentionally cheat.

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

I can’t imagine any sort of “traction control” being very consistent.

you are very wrong

[Doug Hoven]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

you are very wrong

I see the flaw in my statement. I guess it really depends what is really defined as "traction control." I would put it into 2 categories, active, and passive traction control. I would consider time based timing retards to be passive. They are either programmed into the msd box, or the ecu. With these, the timing curve will be exactly the same every run, which has proven to be very consistent for many cars that use a setup like this. What I can't imagine to be super consistent would be a type of "active" traction control, where the msd or ecu is responding to wheel speed. I know that computers have come a long way, but the response time of something like this may not be quite fast enough for it to work with absolute accuracy. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but I've never heard of someone using an arc module or something similar that does the work of a "matty box" for you, and replicates runs with accuracy by changing the tune of the car going down the track.

[Frank Castros]

Remember when it was about cutting a good light and running your dial? The only external wiring was for the Line Lock.

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

orrect me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but I've never heard of someone using an arc module or something similar that does the work of a "matty box" for you, and replicates runs with accuracy by changing the tune of the car going down the track.

Doug, you're not going to hear of anyone using an ARC module in class or bracket racing because it is illegal.

That said, I have no first hand knowledge of the matty box and neither does anyone else that isn't/hasn't used it and they ain't talking about it no mind doing so on a forum but I am well aware of what can be done with the ARC module and if the question is can it be used for to make your car deadly consistent? That answer is YES and by deadly, I'm not talking hundreds, I telling you thousands from pass to pass but again, the best of the best bracket cars do this also without an ARC module.

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