Roller Cams in Stock Eliminator?

I just post my opinion. I don’t agree with the roller cam movement that you and Terry support. Next, I think the 30% number is low for competitors with flat tappet cams.
I just offered a suggestion to help you guys out, that’s all. I never claimed I represented 1500. Id agree with you two, but then all three of us would be wrong. Have a nice day

Originally Posted by john ancona

As you have repeatedly done in the past you speak as if you are the un-appointed
spokesman for the 1500 plus Stock Eliminator racers ,with your poor scenarios as to anything to be done about the challenges some face in Stock Eliminator ,always quick to jump on anything that is said on here to put down anything said when it comes to a much needed change from a flat tappet cam to a roller cam ,no one wins with a Attitude like yours

[john ancona]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

I just post my opinion. I don’t agree with the roller cam movement that you and Terry support. Next, I think the 30% number is low for competitors with flat tappet cams.
I just offered a suggestion to help you guys out, that’s all. I never claimed I represented 1500. Id agree with you two, but then all three of us would be wrong. Have a nice day

Suggestions are what is needed for sure ,I am not going to speak for Terry or any others,
I have said in the past on here the reasons as to why a change is needed , for my self I have been racing NHRA for 50 plus years now like many of my friends have, I still seem to be hearing the same story about flattened cams ,and ruined lifters form many
along with engines that have been ruined , so it's not just two of us supporting that something be done

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by john ancona

I still seem to be hearing the same story about flattened cams ,and ruined lifters form many
along with engines that have been ruined , so it's not just two of us supporting that something be done

Umm, roller lifters break too!

[1347]

This roller cam thing is like beating a dead horse.
There are plenty of racers that are having success with their solid cams. Using roller cams will not help the class at all. Call the cam company of your choice and tell them you want a roller lobe for your 450 lift application. I know someone with a foxbody that cam stock with a hydraulic roller and wanted to upgrade to a solid roller. He was told no lobes are available and it would be alot of money to design a lobe to use. By the time he was done, it was gonna be 3k to put one in the engine. I'm surprised some of you are gonna spend more time trying to lobby for a roller cam instead of just putting a solid cam in.

There will be 150 cars at Indy in stock, and there are more than 45 with solid cams. The 30% number is fake news!

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by 1347

This roller cam thing is like beating a dead horse.
There are plenty of racers that are having success with their solid cams. Using roller cams will not help the class at all. Call the cam company of your choice and tell them you want a roller lobe for your 450 lift application. I know someone with a foxbody that cam stock with a hydraulic roller and wanted to upgrade to a solid roller. He was told no lobes are available and it would be alot of money to design a lobe to use. By the time he was done, it was gonna be 3k to put one in the engine. I'm surprised some of you are gonna spend more time trying to lobby for a roller cam instead of just putting a solid cam in.

There will be 150 cars at Indy in stock, and there are more than 45 with solid cams. The 30% number is fake news!

That's cheap compared to $2200 for tappet lifters, $1200 billet cam, and EVERYTIME you start it wondering if this is the run it eats a lifter and cam up on. Maybe 40% is a better number. Still a big disadvantage running tappet over the newer stuff and if you don't wanna run it no one is forcing you to.

[1347]

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

That's cheap compared to $2200 for tappet lifters, $1200 billet cam, and EVERYTIME you start it wondering if this is the run it eats a lifter and cam up on. Maybe 40% is a better number. Still a big disadvantage running tappet over the newer stuff and if you don't wanna run it no one is forcing you to.

Did you buy these cam and lifters yet? Or do you just put this post up every 3 mos hoping you don't have to? I went to the Indy list and I count at least 82 cars that are solid/hydraulic lifter/cam cars. So for Indy its over 50%.
I also thought your car was for sale, are you lobbying for a rule change right before you retire?

[B Parker]

The problem that I'm not hearing anyone say is the availability of a good flat Tappet lifter. One that will survive in a race car motor. I know several people that had waited for over a year to get a set. My Brother included. Not just 396/375 hp cars. I have flat tappet lifters in mine and would not switch if the rule was changed. But I was able to get good ones a few years ago. At one time there were several companies that made them. They were put in almost every car made. Today there is almost no demand for them and the companies that made them stopped. Yes you can get a set made in China but I wouldn't put them in my street car. So for anyone that runs a Stocker with flat tappet lifters your ok today. But what happens if you hurt a motor and need a set? Good luck. This is not about trying to get more performance it's about keeping the older cars on the track. Anyone that is trying to hold onto the Stock class of years gone by your kidding yourself. That horse left the barn years ago and is not coming back home. In the last 10 years how many Stocker short blocks do you think were built using anything from the Manufacture. It's a joke we have Stockers with parachutes on the back of them running 160 plus and your worried about roller lifters. LOL BP

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by 1347

Did you buy these cam and lifters yet? Or do you just put this post up every 3 mos hoping you don't have to? I went to the Indy list and I count at least 82 cars that are solid/hydraulic lifter/cam cars. So for Indy its over 50%.
I also thought your car was for sale, are you lobbying for a rule change right before you retire?

Yes bought two sets. One set lasted 2 runs. Other 20 minutes on dyno. Yes, my car is for sale. Didn't say I was getting out of racing. I said I had thought about it but just like every other idiot that is racing, I'm hooked.
OH, and Yes I am getting older by the hour and would really like to race ( a little) instead of constantly searching, researching and waiting months for parts. The wait for parts has really gotten out of hand. No body stocks anything.

Same opinion goes for tool steel cams and lifters. Get a cast cam cut with a softer lobe, a good set of solid lifters. Break them in properly. Get a valve spring that will get the job done but not too strong. Maybe keep that 396/427/454 under 8000 rpm. You will be able to race with no problem.
How about port your heads, get a Team G manifold, a roller cam and lifter and pick up some new decals for your window. Problem solved.
Maybe try something different in your engine program

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

That's cheap compared to $2200 for tappet lifters, $1200 billet cam, and EVERYTIME you start it wondering if this is the run it eats a lifter and cam up on. Maybe 40% is a better number. Still a big disadvantage running tappet over the newer stuff and if you don't wanna run it no one is forcing you to.

Plenty of racers here spinning North of 8 without any issues. Correct cam, correct lifters, correct springs -installed correctly and the burnout kept down- there are no issues. Of course if you don’t pull the valve covers to inspect/adjust then yes you will have issues.

My bet is NHRA has no intention of changing this spec to add double the costs to stock eliminator…