2023 AHFS system "cliff note version"

[Bob Sherwood]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

Class Racing used to be like wearing a Banana Hammock and now it's more like wearing a Potato Sack.

Let it fly my brothers and deal with it.

Who's going to buy your stuff when your down 20 HP and running slow ?? The AHFS was created to equal out some soft combos ,but now it's not the soft combos that will get hit , it will be the combos that people have spend a lot of money and hard work developing new parts and technology to go fast. The new AHFS is going to hit a lot of combos --.85 or more under and using the fastest run for the year of that combo to determine how much !! ( BAD IDEA )

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Bob Sherwood

The AHFS was created to equal out some soft combos ,but now it's not the soft combos that will get hit , it will be the combos that people have spend a lot of money and hard work developing new parts and technology to go fast.

How about this for a novel idea, work the AHFS backwards. Let the fast combos go as fast as they want with no penalty. Since we have the HP welfare system in effect anyway and many fast Racers are very good at manipulating it why doesn't NHRA just keep track of the slow combos and in an expedited fashion (not once a year) give them back HP to let them be more competitive. If a combo's average is less than -.65/-.75 and the overall average is -.85/-.95 then give the combo back the HP that it needs to BE a -.85/-.95 player in one shot.
BUT, if a Racer gets caught sandbagging or gets caught with any kind of a throttle-stop in the car, he gets tossed for that race and has to take his points but loses his grade point.
Fast guys get to go fast, slow guys get to go faster, everybody's happy!
(Yeah right, the person who can make every Racer happy should stop wasting his time and cure cancer and end all war!)

[Frank Castros]

Originally Posted by Bob Sherwood

Who's going to buy your stuff when your down 20 HP and running slow ?? The AHFS was created to equal out some soft combos ,but now it's not the soft combos that will get hit , it will be the combos that people have spend a lot of money and hard work developing new parts and technology to go fast. The new AHFS is going to hit a lot of combos --.85 or more under and using the fastest run for the year of that combo to determine how much !! ( BAD IDEA )

What difference does it make? There is no motive to go fast anymore.
How about no AHFS or accountability for heads up runs, class eliminations and Indy?

[Bob Sherwood]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

What difference does it make? There is no motive to go fast anymore.
How about no AHFS or accountability for heads up runs, class eliminations and Indy?

Frank - that's exactly the problem , work to go fast just to get penalized , not because you have a soft combo , but because you put the time and effort (money) to go fast . This new AHFS is going to hurt class racing !!!

[Billy Hampton]

How about no dial ins, first to the finish line wins?...

....and if you go more than .x under you get hp instantly.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Billy Hampton

How about no dial ins, first to the finish line wins?...

....and if you go more than .x under you get hp instantly.

Kinda like the way it was done in the 1960s!

[Signman]

Billy's concept is worth pursuing but those who possess power would not feel their supremacy when the underlings are happy. It's human nature which has not changed ever.

AHFS now in place makes some sense if the object is to get soft combos in line by creating pain for going fast or slowing down. I spent more effort developing a slow tune it is really frustrating.

What makes no sense is including Class Eliminations from 2nd round to the final. This is in conflict with the NHRA own rule.


"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8^th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review"


Class Eliminations score no championship points or have any impact other than 1st round.

Class eliminations at LODRS and National Events from 2nd round to the finals should not be part of the data base these runs score no points or influence points.

[Rich67stang]

Originally Posted by Bob Sherwood

Frank - that's exactly the problem , work to go fast just to get penalized , not because you have a soft combo , but because you put the time and effort (money) to go fast . This new AHFS is going to hurt class racing !!!

Every time I read a post stating "I am fast because of hard work and time", I laugh. Did anyone think maybe this will help the class as there is no Need to Port and Mill the crap out of heads, use pistons with wrong ring package, light weight crank/rods with small journals, etc. It might just Bring it back to "Stock" racing. Before anyone posts they are going -1.00 under without doing what I stated please just stop.

[Rob Petrie E395]

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[Brett C]

Didn't seem to be too much of a deterrent for quite a few in Belle Rose.