65-85 under.

[Frank Castros]

My point was to challenge the point that Mopar racers are in fact challenged. They don't have as many "options or enhancements" as Chevrolet racers . We all know the reasons why, one of them being GM is and always has been a more sustainable entity than Chrysler Corporation Et Al.
Chrysler's management has been influx for too many years to recall.

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

My point was to challenge the point that Mopar racers are in fact challenged. They don't have as many "options or enhancements" as Chevrolet racers . We all know the reasons why, one of them being GM is and always has been a more sustainable entity than Chrysler Corporation Et Al.
Chrysler's management has been influx for too many years to recall.

So why fight with a combo you know can’t be the fastest in the class. If that’s what your looking to do. Buy or build the car and combo that is the best for whatever class you want to run.

[Frank Castros]

Glenn,

All I'm looking for is for the rule book to be enforced and an AHFS that works for everyone. I like the performance aspect of Stock Eliminator.

Also congratulations to you! Going fast is not a problem for you!

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

My point was to challenge the point that Mopar racers are in fact challenged. They don't have as many "options or enhancements" as Chevrolet racers . We all know the reasons why, one of them being GM is and always has been a more sustainable entity than Chrysler Corporation Et Al.
Chrysler's management has been influx for too many years to recall.

You must be High or miss informed
Mopar has been given more performance enhancement than GM
That’s a fact
Heads intakes
Change the grill different hp
Change tailights less hp
Change grill. Less hp
We need an intake and aluminum heads

Stop throwing stones in your glass house.
Fasts

And by the way with the current ho system
The 396/375 Camaros will be A/SA. AA/SA
By this time next year.
A ruined combo. Fact

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

The 396/375 Camaros will be A/SA. AA/SA
By this time next year.
A ruined combo. Fact

Hey Ponko, let 'em "ruin" it! There's a few other combos out there that need to be "ruined" too.
They spend THEIR money and stretch the rules and do it to themselves. It has become THEIR game and they want to complain about the consequences. They've kinda become the "Wokers" of S/SS. Racers running a mere handful of combos trying to dictate policy to all of the other Racers running any one of a thousand other combos.

[442OLDS]

There clearly are a lot of combinations that need horsepower added,but I've always thought that somehow they need to take weather conditions into it.Might be hard to hook up,but I saw on Facebook that the air in Bowling Green right now is - 4200 ft.
I don't think it would be right to penalize a lot of the combinations when the air is that good.
But over a second under in Bristol might be worthy of some horsepower.
The mineshaft rule never took into account the weather.
Ironically, it only came into play when the weather was the worst like Indy.

[Nick Heath]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

There clearly are a lot of combinations that need horsepower added,but I've always thought that somehow they need to take weather conditions into it.Might be hard to hook up,but I saw on Facebook that the air in Bowling Green right now is - 4200 ft.
I don't think it would be right to penalize a lot of the combinations when the air is that good.
But over a second under in Bristol might be worthy of some horsepower.
The mineshaft rule never took into account the weather.
Ironically, it only came into play when the weather was the worst like Indy.

Great point. I will add - what about the races where Thursday qualifying ends with a "mineshaft bump spot" of -0.80 under. Then on Friday morning, a cold front moves through and now everybody dials 0.20 faster for round 1. So it's not a "mineshaft event" but the immediate conditions are certainly "mineshaft!"

Maybe it doesn't matter because the mineshaft rule is dead but certainly another wrinkle/question mark/downfall/limitation/problem with the AHFS.

[Ron Ortiz]

I usually ran about -.45, without lifting or staying in it. I do not have a problem with the new system. If you are that fast (-1.20 or whatever)), you probably need HP. NHRA did not do any favors with their new system. Raising or lowering the indexes does not work, just moves numbers around. NHRA's factoring of cars is an absolute joke, so many adjustments that are so far off. The enhancements given to combinations just adds to the confusion. Racers complaining, just like it was 50 years ago. Same response from 50 years ago, "work on your stuff". Work on your stuff means writing for mercy to NHRA. Did you ever think of all the combinations that were absolute jokes before they were adjusted. This circus never stops, it will be like this ten years from now too. And you know what you are going to do? Just like always, OK.
Cut a light, hit the number, if it's heads up, good luck, go work on your stuff.

I have memories of Mike Senia's Cimmaron, Bob Dennis "banana car" Olds, Bob Shaw's cars, McKay's Buick, and a herd of 302 Fords.


Ron Ortiz
U/SA nitrous 4 sale.

In reality- what’s the difference?
You ask for HP reduction or you ask parts or you do both.
A few continue building HP and either way it is accepted.
Still wondering what has swayed NHRA in this direction.
Out of the Big Three , who has the most reductions?


Merry Christmas!

[J.R. Haddad]

Barry, what has swayed NHRA in this direction? The constant reference
to the fact that the present AHFS is a failure and they decided to try and do something about. If everybody runs all out it works, just like the old system.
Nobody wants HP, so if you think what we did before was sandbagging, wait
till you get a load of this year. Why will we do this? Because everybody wants an advantage. This is racing, we want to win more than the next guy,
qualify better than the next guy, make the best run in our class in the Nation,
bury the record with some serious MPH to show off our HP, and we don't want to give anything back, we want to repeat great runs all of the time. Is this the answer, probably not, but shortening up the window to -65 to -85
under, AND taking away mineshaft, there will be a large amount of HP added to combo's at adjustment time. It is not a favourite with many, but it looks like all we got. Association Races look better all the time. J.R.