Quickest traditional Muscle Cars in Stock

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by rboyle

So was a 1970 Camaro a pony car still or a muscle car? What about a Mach 1 Mustang fastback? Where is Webster's on the exact definition of a muscle vs pony car? Corvette's I guess are also a completely different category.
I think the original posters question was referring to all high HP cars of the 60's to early 70's that run Stock.

No, they aren't. Corvettes are "sports" cars.
The original poster specifically said "traditional" Muscle Car.
"Traditional Muscle Cars" were full and mid-sized cars with HP engines.
Webster's doesn't even fully understand the true definition of a car.

[Billy Nees]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/car

[MR DERBY CITY]

Boy, I am really confused. Was Yac’s National Event winner FWD a Muscle car ?? Obviously I am asking for a friend …..

[Mark Yacavone]

Savoys, Belvederes. etc. are intermediate Chryslers, but race hemis weren't borrowed from their full size line so they don't qualify either ;-)

[427FE]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Savoys, Belvederes. etc. are intermediate Chryslers, but race hemis weren't borrowed from their full size line so they don't qualify either ;-)

They were considered full size at the time.


IMHO a traditional muscle car would be up to the year of 1965

[Frank Castros]

My favorite "Muscle Car" is the 1969.5 (A12) Plymouth Road Runner 440 6bbl. Steve Wann has "tuned up" a few with great results in Stock Eliminator.

[jmcarter]

Graduated from high school in 1967 and think everyone considered GTO’s, Road Runners, Super Bee’s, Chevelles, GS Stage cars, WO Cutlasses, etc all muscle cars. Don’t think anyone would have considered Camaros like the Yenko’s, Six Pack E bodies, etc anything but muscle cars. Hemi cars built by several would qualify as candidates for some of the quickest in Stock.

[Mark Yacavone]

From Wiki :
The first generation of the GTO is credited as popularizing the muscle car market segment in the 1960s.[2][3] The Pontiac GTO is considered by some to have started the trend with all four domestic automakers offering a variety of competing models.


Origins (of the GTO)

In early 1963, General Motors' management banned divisions from involvement in auto racing. This followed the 1957 voluntary ban on automobile racing that was instituted by the Automobile Manufacturers Association.[6] By the early 1960s, Pontiac's advertising and marketing approach was heavily based on performance. With GM's ban on factory-sponsored racing, Pontiac's managers began to emphasize street performance.

In his autobiography Glory Days, Pontiac chief marketing manager Jim Wangers, who worked for the division's contract advertising and public relations agency, states that John DeLorean, Bill Collins, and Russ Gee were responsible for the GTO's creation. It involved transforming the upcoming second-generation Pontiac Tempest (which reverted to a conventional front-engine with front transmission configuration) into a sporty car, with a larger 389 cu in (6.4 L) Pontiac V8 engine from the full-sized Pontiac Grand Prix hardtop coupe in place of the standard 326 cu in (5.3 L) V8. By promoting the big-engine option as a special high-performance model, they could appeal to the youth market (which had also been recognized by Ford Motor Company's Lee Iacocca, who was at that time preparing the Ford Mustang variant of the second generation Ford Falcon compact).

The GTO disregarded GM's policy limiting the A-body intermediate line to a maximum engine displacement of 330 cu in (5.4 L). The development team discovered a loophole in the policy which does not restrict large engines to be offered as an option.[1] Pontiac general manager Elliot "Pete" Estes approved the new model with sales manager Frank Bridge limiting initial production to 5,000 cars.


As a great radio host once said "words mean things "

Carry on...

I’d prefer Mid Size Muscle Car…..

The definition of a muscle car is a bit more nebulous, because there was no single model that spawned the muscle car wars. But the recipe is simple enough: Drop a huge V8 into a two-door coupe and optimize only for straight-line speed. Raw power, lack of sophistication, and that distinctly American swagger are the hallmarks of all the great muscle cars.

[GTS340]

Even though I'm a Mopar guy now. I always thought the 1965 Pontiac 2plus2 was a great looking hotrod. !967 427 fastback Impala was very cool too.

Paul Haszlauer