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[GUMP]

Originally Posted by mnmaxwedge

Maybe you would rather have the 10L90 ten speed transmission in the car instead of the T200 or T350? That's what came in them didn't it. I understand the earlier versions had 8 speeds.

You are really winning my argument here. The transmission rule was in place WAY before 2009. My 1995 Formula had that "gift" available to it when I built it in 1995.


This is a thread that I have on another site that shows some of the work that I did with Chevrolet.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538617

Both cars have the eight-speed. So far, they have lived. With the crazy low first gear set they really don't need a lot of rear gear. I think that I could make them work in Stock Eliminator. It would be very expensive to do. (Note the 17" slicks...)

When we wrote the TI forms for the 2015 Camaro we included the six speed automatic that came in the production car. Nobody has tried to run one (that I know of). One reason for that would be the lack of available safety items that are required to go 9.99.

[mnmaxwedge]

There is really no argument to win. I'm impressed that you tested those transmissions (really). The expense argument is laughable, if you're concerned with expense you should probably be bracket racing. I'm not trying to make any argument. There is another post on this forum where a man is fighting for his life. The stuff we are discussing is chicken ***** by comparison. I doubt that the things we are talking about will have any effect on what's happening. Thanks for the verbal jousting, I enjoyed it, no hard feeling. I'm out. Have a nice day.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by mnmaxwedge

There is really no argument to win.

I agree.

The expense argument is laughable, if you're concerned with expense you should probably be bracket racing.

I have a budget like everyone else. I like to see ROI in my program. If the rules allow it, and it goes faster for less money, that's what I'm spending my money on.

That said, I will remind you that the OP's argument for going to a new piston rule is cost.

I doubt that the things we are talking about will have any effect on what's happening.

You would be surprised who reads these threads...

Thanks for the verbal jousting, I enjoyed it...

Here too. As much as I like racing new combinations, I think you will find that I am one of the biggest advocates for keeping the older combinations in class racing.

Take Care,

Daren

[Doug Hoven]

Originally Posted by GUMP

When we wrote the TI forms for the 2015 Camaro we included the six speed automatic that came in the production car. Nobody has tried to run one (that I know of). One reason for that would be the lack of available safety items that are required to go 9.99.

One thing that has come to mind recently (being that I recently bought one) is what it would look like to do a 2010 Camaro. I know it's not as favorable for horsepower like the 2015, but with the shipping weight, it's a natural C car. In my opinion, it would be very neat to build one of these cars, retaining as much as the stock components as possible. Apart from the obvious engine work, you could probably make the 6l80 live without too many issues. HP tuners could definitely handle making the stock ecu work. This same concept can be applied to just about any 2010 and newer Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger. Just thinking out loud.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

One thing that has come to mind recently (being that I recently bought one) is what it would look like to do a 2010 Camaro. I know it's not as favorable for horsepower like the 2015, but with the shipping weight, it's a natural C car. In my opinion, it would be very neat to build one of these cars, retaining as much as the stock components as possible. Apart from the obvious engine work, you could probably make the 6l80 live without too many issues. HP tuners could definitely handle making the stock ecu work. This same concept can be applied to just about any 2010 and newer Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger. Just thinking out loud.

I would drop the stock ECU for a Holley Dominator or Terminator-X. There is just too much junk in the stock ECU that isn't applicable to a race car. Neither one currently has the capability to run the six-speed, but there are add-on controllers available.

I started to build a 2010 from a body-in-white before I got the 2012 COPO. I think that it can be a pretty good combination.

[Tom P]

Wouldn't the ten speed be enough of an advantage to make up for it's weight and rotating drag? It's close ratios could allow a big cam with a narrow power band and it doesn't shock the tires much on shifts.